form button margin

[moocow]

Hi.

I am using a background image in a form button. The problem I am
having is that there is a 1 pixel margin inside the button on all
sides.

I would like my background image to fill the inside of the button from
button border to button border, and not stop 1 pixel shy of that.

I have tried:
margin-top:0; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-bottom:0;

This does nothing.

Also:
margin-top:-1; margin-left:-1; margin-right:-1; margin-bottom:-1;

This does get rid of the margin, but it also gets rid of the button
border.

This is what I'm using and it mostly works...the only problem is the 1
pixel buffer inside the button:

..fbutton1 {
text-align:middle; vertical-align:top;
font-family:Arial,Ve rdana; font-size:11px; font-weight:bold;
color:#000000;
background-image: url(../images/button_fill1.jp g);
border-top:#EFF4F9; border-bottom:#62707D; border-left:#EFF4F9;
border-right:#62707D;
border-top-width:1px; border-left-width:1px; border-right-width:1px;
border-bottom-width:1px;
border-style:solid;
padding-top:0px; padding-left:0px; padding-right:0px;
padding-bottom:0px;
margin-top:0; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-bottom:0;
}

Thanks.

[moocow]

>On the web they never will whatever you do. Different screen resolutions,

etc. cause the font to be different no matter what.

I agree with all that. But...

This is not a public site, it's an internal web app with known
browsers, users and pre-existing standards.

[Neal]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 04:10:57 -0400, moocow <no****@nospam. net> wrote:

On the web they never will whatever you do. Different screen
resolutions,
etc. cause the font to be different no matter what.

I agree with all that. But...

This is not a public site, it's an internal web app with known
browsers, users and pre-existing standards.

Right. This isn't an intranet newsgroup either, though.

[moocow]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:18:45 -0400, Neal <ne*****@yahoo. com> wrote:

Right. This isn't an intranet newsgroup either, though.

I appreciate your input on fonts, but how I might remove a stubborn 1
pixel of padding in a form button in IE using CSS when the standard
ways are not working...was the posted query.

I was not really interested in talking in circles or posturing.

If this is not the place to find out how I might remove a stubborn 1
pixel of padding in a form button in IE using CSS when the standard
ways are not working...then I have made an error.

[Els]

moocow wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 05:18:45 -0400, Neal
<ne*****@yahoo. com> wrote:

Right. This isn't an intranet newsgroup either, though.

I appreciate your input on fonts, but how I might remove a
stubborn 1 pixel of padding in a form button in IE using
CSS when the standard ways are not working...was the posted
query.

I was not really interested in talking in circles or
posturing.

If this is not the place to find out how I might remove a
stubborn 1 pixel of padding in a form button in IE using
CSS when the standard ways are not working...then I have
made an error.

Without a url it is very difficult for people to see where 1
pixel comes from. I for one, usually copy the complete code of
a page locally, and fiddle with the CSS to see where something
went wrong. Without a url, I can't do this.

Only thing I can imagine from what I read of your posts,
because you're saying Firefox doesn't have the problem, is
that it is the difference between calculating widths of
elements with or without including borders/margins.
Some browsers include it, others don't.

--
Els
http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

[moocow]

On 8 Jul 2004 09:52:40 GMT, Els <el*********@ti scali.nl> wrote:

Without a url it is very difficult for people to see where 1
pixel comes from. I for one, usually copy the complete code of
a page locally, and fiddle with the CSS to see where something
went wrong. Without a url, I can't do this.

Only thing I can imagine from what I read of your posts,
because you're saying Firefox doesn't have the problem, is
that it is the difference between calculating widths of
elements with or without including borders/margins.
Some browsers include it, others don't.

I'd like to give you a URL, but can't, so I understand why it's hard
to help.

I used TopStyle and went through all the CSS1 and CSS2 parameters for
spacing and padding that might work for a form button. It's a nice app
to immediately see what effect your settings have. But no luck in
elminating that pixel.

I think I can live with that one pixel until I come across a work
around for it.

Thanks.

[Andrew Thompson]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:45:13 -0400, moocow wrote:

I'd like to give you a URL, but can't,

Why not, exactly?

For what reason can you not bring up the page
in IE (whatever) 'Save As' complete.. and upload
the files to a cheap web site.

[ I realize the question above may sound sarcastic,
but I am honestly curious whether it occured to the
folks at your end, and if so, what the hitch is.. ]

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology

[Brian]

moocow wrote:

I appreciate your input on fonts, but how I might remove a stubborn
1 pixel of padding in a form button in IE using CSS when the
standard ways are not working...was the posted query.
Indeed. Unfortunately for you, it was posted in the wrong group. In
the *.www.authoring* groups, we discuss authoring for the www. I'd
have overlooked it, but you did not follow the conventions of the
group (lurk before posting, read the faq, read the archives, etc). So
as far as I'm concerned, it's off-topic, take it to a more appropriate
group.
If this is not the place to find out how I might remove a stubborn
1 pixel of padding in a form button in IE using CSS when the
standard ways are not working...then I have made an error.

Indeed you did make an error.

--
Brian (remove ".invalid" to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Neal]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:12:46 GMT, Andrew Thompson <Se********@www .invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:45:13 -0400, moocow wrote:

I'd like to give you a URL, but can't,

Why not, exactly?

For what reason can you not bring up the page
in IE (whatever) 'Save As' complete.. and upload
the files to a cheap web site.

.... after, of course, altering all the content so as not to publish
proprietary info.

[moocow]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:12:46 GMT, Andrew Thompson
<Se********@www .invalid> wrote:

Why not, exactly?

For what reason can you not bring up the page
in IE (whatever) 'Save As' complete.. and upload
the files to a cheap web site.

The site is on an intranet, so that's why a URL won't work.

I hadn't thought of that--uploading the page to a cheapo ISP
account...

http://209.123.115.33/test/test.html

There are two sets of buttons, form buttons and regular linked image
buttons.

I have set the background color of the form buttons to red, so that
the 1 pixel border is easy to see.

And as metioned before, this border shows in IE, but not in Firefox.

Thanks.

[Claire Tucker]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:17:29 -0400, moocow <no****@nospam. net> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:12:46 GMT, Andrew Thompson
<Se********@ww w.invalid> wrote:

http://209.123.115.33/test/test.html

There are two sets of buttons, form buttons and regular linked image
buttons.

I have set the background color of the form buttons to red, so that
the 1 pixel border is easy to see.

And as metioned before, this border shows in IE, but not in Firefox.

It might also interest you to know that Opera (6.06) doesn't style the
button at all: no image, no border, not even background color!

My main point, though, is that browser support for styling form
widgets is shakey; other than Mozilla, most of the browsers use
buttons which aren't described by CSS but instead just hard-coded to
look like the local UI to some extent. IE is a little more flexible,
but the limitations are still there.

As a final note, maybe you could pick a neutral blue as the background
color and set that same blue as a one-pixel border on the links? They
wouldn't look quite like you imagined, but at least they'd all look
the same (in IE) and I don't think anyone would really notice one
pixel of non-gradient and think "that looks really weird!".

Good luck,
-Claire