Does anyone pay attention to standards? - Page 9

Isaac Grover

Hi everyone,

Just out of curiosity I recently pointed one of my hand-typed pages at the W3
Validator, and my hand-typed code was just ripped to shreds. Then I pointed
some major sites (microsoft.com, cnn.com, etc.) at the W3 Validator; to my
surprise none of them passed.

Doesn't anyone care anymore, or are the standards more-or-less looked at as
guidlines for web design?

Isaac

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Shawn K. Quinn

Brian wrote:

However, on looking at the recommendations , I did not find <font> in
html 3.2, but did find it in HTML 4/transitional as a deprecated
element. I was not aware there was anything in HTML 4 loose that was not
in 3.2. Thus <font> is valid for that one dtd.

The <font> element *is* in HTML 3.2. Look again.

--
Shawn K. Quinn

Jul 20 '05 #81

Andreas Prilop

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004, Harlan Messinger wrote:

Is there a standard for the definition of "standard"?

ISO/IEC Guide 2 defines a "standard":
<http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#Wh atisstd>

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Jul 20 '05 #82

James Pickering

Andreas Prilop wrote:

ISO/IEC Guide 2 defines a "standard":

Note that the W3C is not listed as an International standardizing
body/organization ..........

http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/index.html

James Pickering
http://www.jp29.org/

Jul 20 '05 #83

James Pickering

International Standards relating to computer technologies are mostly formulated
and published jointly by the ISO (International Organization for Standards) and
the IEC (International Electrotechnica l Commission):

http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#international

Thus ISO-HTML is actually an ISO/IEC standard.

James Pickering
http://www.jp29.org/

Jul 20 '05 #84

Harlan Messinger

"James Pickering" <ja*******@aol. com> wrote in message
news:20******** *************** ****@mb-m29.aol.com...

International Standards relating to computer technologies are mostly formulated and published jointly by the ISO (International Organization for Standards) and the IEC (International Electrotechnica l Commission):

http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#international

Thus ISO-HTML is actually an ISO/IEC standard.

Oh. Then why aren't we all validating to

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HyperText Markup
Language//EN">

?

Jul 20 '05 #85

Mark Parnell

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:18:41 +0100, Eric Jarvis <we*@ericjarvis .co.uk>
declared in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html,alt.html:

most of the early
sites built by large corporations were farmed out to their regular graphic
design contractors or departments and hence weren't built by people with
any significant web design experience

Surely most of the early sites were built before _anyone_ had any
significant web design experience? ;-)

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

Jul 20 '05 #86

Mark Parnell

On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:14:51 -0400, Whitecrest
<wh********@whi tecrestziopzap. com> declared in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html,alt.html:

In article <Pi************ *************** ****@ppepc56.ph .gla.ac.uk>,
fl*****@ph.gla. ac.uk says...
Heard the term "Broken As Designed"? (B.A.D).

Nope never heard if it. And by definition it can not be true...

Why not? Are you saying it is impossible to come up with a design that
is inherently broken?

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

Jul 20 '05 #87

Mark Parnell

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:14:03 -0400, Whitecrest
<wh********@whi tecrestziopzap. com> declared in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html,alt.html:

In article <ZRhic.242357$o R5.38644@pd7tw3 no>,
te**@fungoid.do t.dyndns.dot.or g says...
Or only use the pieces I want to make it work the way I want it to,
which is what 99% of the entire web does right now.

Which is most certainly not a good thing.

Why?

Imagine if on the roads everyone decided on their own "standard" of
driving rules. Each person decided which side of the road to drive on
(if any), what speed they would go, whether to use headlights,
indicators, seatbelts, etc.

Obviously on the web it isn't life-threatening, but the principle is the
same. If everyone kept to the standards, it would make life better for
everyone.

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

Jul 20 '05 #88

Whitecrest

In article <1c************ *************** @40tude.net>,
we*******@clark ecomputers.com. au says...

Obviously on the web it isn't life-threatening, but the principle is the
same. If everyone kept to the standards, it would make life better for
everyone.

I don't see how it makes it better for everyone. ESPECIALLY for those
that like presentation. (Both developers and visitors.) I think it
takes away from these people to accommodate others.

If the site is an ecommerce site where the owner NEEDS to make money
from the site, then by all means, follow standards, stay away from css
that is not rendered the same in all browsers, don't use flash or
javascript for anything that is needed.

All other cases must be evaluated individually based on what the owner
wants to present, and how he/she wants to present it.

The web is too big and has way too many uses for a set of standards to
accommodate all of its uses.

A perfect example is Webex, or Webentations. Are they web pages? Yep,
do they (could they) validate, or even be accessible (beyond alt tags)
to everyone? Nope.

Are they a valid use of the web? Sure are, and probably one of the
fastest growing sectors of web applications right now.

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Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com

Jul 20 '05 #89

Toby A Inkster

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:42:05 -0400, Whitecrest wrote:

In article <1c************ *************** @40tude.net>,
we*******@clark ecomputers.com. au says...
Obviously on the web it isn't life-threatening, but the principle is the
same. If everyone kept to the standards, it would make life better for
everyone.

I don't see how it makes it better for everyone. ESPECIALLY for those
that like presentation. (Both developers and visitors.)

I don't see how sticking to standards[1] impacts on presentation. e.g.
Flash can be used on standards-compliant pages.

Of course, this depends on which standards you follow. e.g. HTML 4.01
would allow you to embed Flash. HTML 2.0 would not.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132

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