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Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Hi everyone,

Just out of curiosity I recently pointed one of my hand-typed pages at the W3
Validator, and my hand-typed code was just ripped to shreds. Then I pointed
some major sites (microsoft.com, cnn.com, etc.) at the W3 Validator; to my
surprise none of them passed.

Doesn't anyone care anymore, or are the standards more-or-less looked at as
guidlines for web design?

Isaac

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Jul 20 '05
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In article <pa************ *************** *@goddamn.co.uk >,
to*****@goddamn .co.uk says...
nor is there a guarantee that the Standards will not depreciate a tag
you use and you have to re code.

That argument holds no water. If a future standard deprecates or
eliminates an element or attribute that you rely on you simply don't use
that future standard and stick with the current one.


Then the same rule be applied to the <embed> tag right?

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Jul 20 '05 #141
In article <40********@new s.zianet.com>, st**@surecann.c om says...
Whitecrest wrote:
Then don't frequent the sites that use it, and the ones that uses it
that you have to go to, well complain to them about it. When enough
people complain, they (as I) will change.

That's exactly what I do.


And I am all for that. If enough people complain about a site, the site
will change. When they do, I will be there to make the needed changes.

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Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com
Jul 20 '05 #142

"Whitecrest " <wh********@whi tecrestziopzap. com> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@news.charter. net...
In article <40********@new s.zianet.com>, st**@surecann.c om says...
>You wan't to turn it into TV?!? Why not just watch the boob tube then? Turn it into? It already is, where have you been?

Not quite. But many businesses are trying.


We are in the infancy stage of Web based Television. As broadband
continues to grow, the web will be used more and more for live and on
demand webcasts.


Where have you been? My cable company already offers IP based television.
The web is *NOT* where television is headed. Anyone who thinks that they can
put TV onto a webpage and make it as attractive and reliable as TV is living
in a dreamworld.

Even if technology makes broadcasts available to webpages, it still won't be
used. Other protocols will do it better than HTTP: and trying to mix them
will just cause more headaches than it's worth.
>I'm a big gamer. I don't use a browser interface for it though.
and that is significant because....

It's not really. Other than a gaming client can do a much better job at
doing what it is designed to do. A broser isn't designed to transfer as
much information needed as fast as it's needed for gaming.


Oh of course there are better mediums for on line gaming, but sites
catering to kids, (nick.com, barbie.com etc...) flash based games are
more than adequate to brand the kids to a product. Remember the games
at such sites are really just a sly way to brand the kids.


And the reason that gaming sites don't use web interfaces is the same reason
that TV won't show up on the web in any major way. Specific clients and
protocols will be created without the need for any HTTP interface.

(PS, just jumped into the thread, not sure if any of that was covered.)
Jul 20 '05 #143
/Whitecrest/:
In article <pa************ *************** *@goddamn.co.uk >,
to*****@goddamn .co.uk says...
nor is there a guarantee that the Standards will not depreciate a tag
you use and you have to re code.


That argument holds no water. If a future standard deprecates or
eliminates an element or attribute that you rely on you simply don't use
that future standard and stick with the current one.


Then the same rule be applied to the <embed> tag right?


AFAIK, <embed> is no part of any HTML specification, so far.

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Stanimir
Jul 20 '05 #144
In article <qQSjc.298404$I g.13338@pd7tw2n o>, po********@127. 0.0.1
says...
Where have you been? My cable company already offers IP based television.
The web is *NOT* where television is headed. Anyone who thinks that they can
put TV onto a webpage and make it as attractive and reliable as TV is living
in a dreamworld.
And the world is flat...
(PS, just jumped into the thread, not sure if any of that was covered.)


Not with the lack of practical knowledge you have shown it hasn't...
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Jul 20 '05 #145
In article <c6************ @ID-207379.news.uni-berlin.de>, s7an10
@netscape.net says...
/Whitecrest/:
In article <pa************ *************** *@goddamn.co.uk >,
to*****@goddamn .co.uk says...
nor is there a guarantee that the Standards will not depreciate a tag
you use and you have to re code.

That argument holds no water. If a future standard deprecates or
eliminates an element or attribute that you rely on you simply don't use
that future standard and stick with the current one.


Then the same rule be applied to the <embed> tag right?


AFAIK, <embed> is no part of any HTML specification, so far.


Yes you are right, but it is supported by all the browsers.

Of course this only proves my point there are things you can not do if
you stick with the standards. Thanks for the heads up.

--
Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com
Jul 20 '05 #146
/Whitecrest/:
In article <qQSjc.298404$I g.13338@pd7tw2n o>, po********@127. 0.0.1
says...
Where have you been? My cable company already offers IP based television.
The web is *NOT* where television is headed. Anyone who thinks that they can
put TV onto a webpage and make it as attractive and reliable as TV is living
in a dreamworld.


And the world is flat...


And I think you're just too arrogant to accept anything different
from your tiny way of thinking.

--
Stanimir
Jul 20 '05 #147
In article <c6************ @ID-207379.news.uni-berlin.de>, s7an10
@netscape.net says...
And the world is flat...

And I think you're just too arrogant to accept anything different
from your tiny way of thinking.


Not at all. I completely agree with standards and validation and
accessibility for most sites. All I am saying that in addition to all
that, there are a some sites that if is all irrelevant to.

You just disagree with that. Nothing to get your undies in a bunch
over.
--
Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com
Jul 20 '05 #148
Whitecrest wrote:
In article <pa************ *************** *@goddamn.co.uk >,
to*****@goddamn .co.uk says...
> nor is there a guarantee that the Standards will not depreciate a tag
> you use and you have to re code.

That argument holds no water. If a future standard deprecates or
eliminates an element or attribute that you rely on you simply don't use
that future standard and stick with the current one.


Then the same rule be applied to the <embed> tag right?


Yes. Except there is no current HTML standard that allows its use.

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Jul 20 '05 #149
In article <pa************ *************** *@goddamn.co.uk >,
to*****@goddamn .co.uk says...
Whitecrest wrote:
In article <pa************ *************** *@goddamn.co.uk >,
to*****@goddamn .co.uk says...
> nor is there a guarantee that the Standards will not depreciate a tag
> you use and you have to re code.
That argument holds no water. If a future standard deprecates or
eliminates an element or attribute that you rely on you simply don't use
that future standard and stick with the current one.


Then the same rule be applied to the <embed> tag right?


Yes. Except there is no current HTML standard that allows its use.


Yea, but is a plus for my argument. If you stick to standards, you
can't make it work on your visitors computers without a work around of
some sort. When the non standard solution is supported by virtually
every browser.
--
Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com
Jul 20 '05 #150

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