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James Pickering

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Jul 20 '05 #1
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On Sun, Sep 21, JAMESICUS inscribed on the eternal scroll:
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http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5063444.html


On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?

Jul 20 '05 #3
"Alan J. Flavell" <fl*****@mail.c ern.ch> wrote in message
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On Sun, Sep 21, JAMESICUS inscribed on the eternal scroll:
Refer to .....

http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5063444.html


On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?

No. Commercial sites are not covered by this in the
way that a government site would be.
Jul 20 '05 #4
In article <Pi************ *************** ****@lxplus100. cern.ch> in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Alan J. Flavell
<fl*****@mail.c ern.ch> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 21, JAMESICUS inscribed on the eternal scroll:
Refer to .....

http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5063444.html


On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?


Maybe in a civilized country. US and state government Web sites seem
to make no effort at all to provide accessible pages.

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Jul 20 '05 #5

"Stan Brown" <th************ @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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In article <Pi************ *************** ****@lxplus100. cern.ch> in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Alan J. Flavell
<fl*****@mail.c ern.ch> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 21, JAMESICUS inscribed on the eternal scroll:
Refer to .....

http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5063444.html


On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?


Maybe in a civilized country. US and state government Web sites seem
to make no effort at all to provide accessible pages.


Oh, but they say they do! ROFL!
First and foremost, ADA Section 508 is a joke compared to WAI.
Then you have US Gov't sites that typically are pretty far from what you & I
would call "accessible ", but are passed off as such because Section 508
basically says "If you can't do it right, provide a plain text version"
which is what most resort to.
--
Karl Core

Charles Sweeney says my sig is fine as it is.
Jul 20 '05 #6
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Stan Brown wrote:
on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Alan J. Flavell
On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?


Maybe in a civilized country. US and state government Web sites seem
to make no effort at all to provide accessible pages.


I have here the local paperwork for electoral registration - we fill
this in each year to confirm qualification for voting under the
various provisions (local council, parliamentary, EU etc.).

In addition to English, the paperwork includes Urdu, Punjabi, Arabic
and Chinese.

If they can do that for something that's inherently _in_accessible,
one does really have to wonder at the logic of taking something that
was designed to be inherently accessible (in a somewhat different
sense, for sure, but I think the analogy is fair), and turn it into
what a Lynx user would find at http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/
Jul 20 '05 #7
"Mark Jones" <sp**@block.com > writes:
"Alan J. Flavell" <fl*****@mail.c ern.ch> wrote in message
news:Pi******** *************** ********@lxplus 100.cern.ch...
On Sun, Sep 21, JAMESICUS inscribed on the eternal scroll:
Refer to .....

http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5063444.html


On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?

No. Commercial sites are not covered by this in the
way that a government site would be.


Well, depends on what country you're in. Certainly in UK and
Australia commercial sites are believed to be covered. Section 508
may only apply to the US public sector but that doesn't mean that the
Americans with Disabilities Act can't be applied on its own.

--
Chris
Jul 20 '05 #8
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Stan Brown wrote:
on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html, Alan J. Flavell
On a point of order, alt="IMAGE TEXT HERE" seems to be an open
invitation to a lawsuit under disability access legislation, no?


Maybe in a civilized country. US and state government Web sites seem
to make no effort at all to provide accessible pages.


I have here the local paperwork for electoral registration - we fill
this in each year to confirm qualification for voting under the
various provisions (local council, parliamentary, EU etc.).

In addition to English, the paperwork includes Urdu, Punjabi, Arabic
and Chinese.

If they can do that for something that's inherently _in_accessible,
one does really have to wonder at the logic of taking something that
was designed to be inherently accessible (in a somewhat different
sense, for sure, but I think the analogy is fair), and turn it into
what a Lynx user would find at http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/


I had a good rant about this on another group earlier today...the gist
being that since the web is relatively new, and generally only the
designers know how it works accessibility is dealt with like this:

the question of accessibility is raised...everyo ne says it is a good
thing...the designer is asked what it involves...they say it will involve
lots of cost and extra effort...any attempt to make the site more
accessible is dropped until extra money can be found...and nobody
elsewhere in the organisation knows to tell the designer that they are
talking total rubbish

this WILL change as the web becomes more mature as a technology and more
designers are working for managers that know enough to argue

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"Hey Lord don't ask me questions
There ain't no answer in me"
Jul 20 '05 #9
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Eric Jarvis wrote:
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
If they can do that for something that's inherently _in_accessible,
one does really have to wonder at the logic of taking something that
was designed to be inherently accessible (in a somewhat different
sense, for sure, but I think the analogy is fair), and turn it into
what a Lynx user would find at http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/
I had a good rant about this on another group earlier today...


Gosh, so you did, and I see many of the "usual suspects" were there
too, who I know from other groups. Not quite the style of
uk.rec.sheds, but...

Oh, and didn't I spot you on alt.humor.best-of-usenet recently? ;-)
the question of accessibility is raised...everyo ne says it is a good
thing...the designer is asked what it involves...they say it will involve
lots of cost and extra effort..
For them it probably would! They've created some sizeable hurdles,
and now they're trying to work out how to evade having to build
footbridges over them; but they still won't be accessible in a 'chair.
The result would still be worse than if they hadn't erected those
hurdles in the first place.
.any attempt to make the site more
accessible is dropped until extra money can be found...and nobody
elsewhere in the organisation knows to tell the designer that they are
talking total rubbish
Indeed.
this WILL change as the web becomes more mature as a technology and more
designers are working for managers that know enough to argue


There are some remarkably clue-resistant folks around. If I didn't
think they were dumb, then I'd have to believe they were deliberately
discriminatory. Sigh.
Jul 20 '05 #10

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