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I have posted a quick survey at
<http://cfaj.freeshell. org/testing/width.shtml>.

There's only one question: select the widest line that fits
in your normal browser window.

Your assistance is appreciated.

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Jun 28 '08
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Travis Newbury <Tr***********@ hotmail.comwrit es:
Or are you afraid to participate because the
results might show there are some "normal" sizes and you might be
wrong?
This is the part where I'm supposed to let you push my buttons, and go
take your survey to show I'm not afraid of the results, right?

Sorry bub, I'm not that stupid.

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Jun 28 '08 #11
On Jun 28, 12:12*pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
This is the part where I'm supposed to let you push my buttons, and go
take your survey to show I'm not afraid of the results, right?
First, it's not my survey, second I really don't care what you do.
Sorry bub, I'm not that stupid.
I don't know you so I really can't make that call
Jun 28 '08 #12
On 2008-06-28, Sherman Pendley wrote:
"Chris F.A. Johnson" <cf********@gma il.comwrites:
> There's only one question: select the widest line that fits
in your normal browser window.

Why would I want to participate in a survey that does nothing but
propogate the myth that screen size should matter to HTML authors?
This is not measuring screen size or window size. It is measuring
the width of browser windows in ems. The screen or window size in
pixels is irrelevant, as is the user's font size.

While a good page may suffer somewhat when extreme sizes are used,
and should degrade gracefully when they are, pages may be
optimized for a certain range. The purpose of this survey is to
determine how wide this range should be.

In practice, I don;t think this information will make a
significant difference to the way my pages are coded.
There is no "normal" browser window. Deal with it.
Agreed; and I am dealing with it.

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Jun 28 '08 #13
Travis Newbury wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:29 am, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:
>Why would I want to participate in a survey that does nothing but
propogate the myth that screen size should matter to HTML authors?

Oh ye of such little faith. Maybe the survey will prove your point
that there is no "standard size" and that the browser window size is
so random that it is meaningless to try to code for it.
>There is no "normal" browser window. Deal with it.

And if you participate in the survey I believe you may help to prove
that once and for all. Or are you afraid to participate because the
results might show there are some "normal" sizes and you might be
wrong?

Not at all. Such a survey is pointless. Those who have been around for
a while have learned that. Newbies need to be taught it over and over
again.

Design the page correctly and the content adjusts itself to any window
size within reason.

I'm not afraid to participate. It's just now worth my time. But you
are tacky and manipulative for even suggesting such a thing.

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Jun 28 '08 #14
On 2008-06-28, Andrew Heenan wrote:
"Chris F.A. Johnson" <cf********@gma il.comwrote ...
> I have posted a quick survey at
<http://cfaj.freeshell. org/testing/width.shtml>.
There's only one question: select the widest line that fits
in your normal browser window.

Nice idea ... a one man campaign to banish the horizontal scroll?
Nope. To eliminate horizontal scroll, you do not specify any
widths.

This is to get a better idea of what the typical viewer will see.

For example, I am designing a page with three columns of text. In
my typical window, the columns are narrower than I like. They are
still very readable, but I prefer to have more text. If I find
that most people will see even less than I do, I may rethink the
page; if the majority see more than I do, I'll leave it.
Do let ut have the 'final' results,
There is a running total at
<http://cfaj.freeshell. org/testing/width.cgi>.

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Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
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Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
Jun 28 '08 #15
On Jun 28, 3:03*pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gma il.comwrote:
Nice idea ... a one man campaign to banish the horizontal scroll?
* * Nope. To eliminate horizontal scroll, you do not specify any
* * widths.
* * This is to get a better idea of what the typical viewer will see.
* * For example, I am designing a page with three columns of text.
If you have 3 columns of text then it sounds like you need to be
looking at Flexible width sites rather than worrying about it.
Jun 28 '08 #16
On Jun 28, 2:53*pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
Not at all. *Such a survey is pointless. *Those who have been around for
a while have learned that. *Newbies need to be taught it over and over
again.

Design the page correctly and the content adjusts itself to any window
size within reason.
Well that is one way to design,the other is to have it be fixed
width. Both are equally correct based on the website.

And before we start another boring thread, lets just agree we have
different opinions about what is "correct"
Jun 28 '08 #17
Travis Newbury wrote:
On Jun 28, 2:53 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
>Not at all. Such a survey is pointless. Those who have been around for
a while have learned that. Newbies need to be taught it over and over
again.

Design the page correctly and the content adjusts itself to any window
size within reason.

Well that is one way to design,the other is to have it be fixed
width. Both are equally correct based on the website.
Yep, amateurs design fixed width sites. Professionals design sites
which resize themselves.
And before we start another boring thread, lets just agree we have
different opinions about what is "correct"

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Jun 28 '08 #18
On 2008-06-28, Travis Newbury wrote:
On Jun 28, 3:03*pm, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gma il.comwrote:
Nice idea ... a one man campaign to banish the horizontal scroll?
* * Nope. To eliminate horizontal scroll, you do not specify any
* * widths.
* * This is to get a better idea of what the typical viewer will see.
* * For example, I am designing a page with three columns of text.

If you have 3 columns of text then it sounds like you need to be
looking at Flexible width sites rather than worrying about it.
Any page I design *is* flexible width (with the exception of the
survey page). That's not the point.

I want to know how what I see in my browser window compares with
what others see. If most people see less text than I do, I will
probably abandon my 3-column design. If, as I suspect, most see
more, then the design will work better for most people than it
does for me -- and for me it is readable, but not quite optimum.
For example, I am designing a page with three columns of text.
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Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
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Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
Jun 28 '08 #19
On Jun 28, 4:01*pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
Well that is one way to design,the other is to have it be fixed
width. *Both are equally correct based on the website.
Yep, amateurs design fixed width sites. *Professionals design sites
which resize themselves.
Yea, those damn highly paid amateurs...
Jun 28 '08 #20

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