I note in an Eric Meyers book that he expresses one goal of using CSS is
to eliminate all <brtags. Why?
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Ed Jay <ed***@aes-intl.comwrote:
>I note in an Eric Meyers book that he expresses one goal of using CSS is
to eliminate all <brtags.
If so then he is putting that to strongly.
>Why?
<bris an element with few appropriate uses, it's often abused to
insert blank lines or "pseudo paragraphs" when real paragraph markup
should be used, or spacing when CSS margins should be used, or to get an
element to have a line break before and after for which the element
should be set to "display:bl ock" instead.
But there are a few legitimate uses for using <br>, one example would be
to create a line break inside an <addresselement :
<address>
My name<br>
My address
<address>
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Spartanicus
Spartanicus scribed:
>Ed Jay <ed***@aes-intl.comwrote:
>>I note in an Eric Meyers book that he expresses one goal of using CSS is
to eliminate all <brtags.
If so then he is putting that to strongly.
>>Why?
<bris an element with few appropriate uses, it's often abused to
insert blank lines or "pseudo paragraphs" when real paragraph markup
should be used, or spacing when CSS margins should be used, or to get an
element to have a line break before and after for which the element
should be set to "display:bl ock" instead.
But there are a few legitimate uses for using <br>, one example would be
to create a line break inside an <addresselement :
<address>
My name<br>
My address
<address>
Thanks.
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Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
Ed Jay <ed***@aes-intl.comscripsi t:
I note in an Eric Meyers book
Which book? Please cite by title and page.
that he expresses one goal of using CSS
is to eliminate all <brtags. Why?
Do you mean he does not explain that in the book?
I guess Eric refers to the common abuse of using successive <brtags to
create vertical spacing. That's clumsy, coarse and unreliable, so surely it
should be replaced by the use of CSS.
Besides, even legitimate uses of <brcan often be replaced by other markup,
usually <div>, and this may help in styling.
Eliminating all <brtags sounds like a misconception, though. It's
impossible to say whether it would be Eric's misconception or yours.
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Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca") http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Ed Jay wrote:
I note in an Eric Meyers book that he expresses one goal of using CSS is
to eliminate all <brtags. Why?
Because Eric Meyer has some very weird ideas about good HTML.
<bris good. It's an inline element, and it's literally there as a
"line break", for when you need this _within_ a block of text.
It's not a paragraph marker, not a delimiter for headers, and
especially not as a chunk of whitespace for spacing things apart. These
are abuses of <brand no-one should defend them, but the fact that
<brregularly gets mis-used doesn't mean that it should be removed.
"one goal of using CSS is to eliminate all mis-used <brtags" might
be a better phrasing.
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Eliminating all <brtags sounds like a misconception, though.
Furthermore, <bris the recommended HTML equivalent for the
Unicode character U+2028 "line separator", which itself should
not be used in markup languages. http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr20/#Suitable
Andy Dingley scribed:
>
Ed Jay wrote:
>I note in an Eric Meyers book that he expresses one goal of using CSS is
to eliminate all <brtags. Why?
Because Eric Meyer has some very weird ideas about good HTML.
This statement sounds rational. Not because I think Eric Meyer has weird
ideas, but I note that as I read newsgroups pertaining to HTML, javascript
and CSS, each camp thinks "their" methodology is the best, and others miss
the mark. Not quite as religiously as Windows versus Linux, but similar.
>
<bris good. It's an inline element, and it's literally there as a
"line break", for when you need this _within_ a block of text.
It's not a paragraph marker, not a delimiter for headers, and
especially not as a chunk of whitespace for spacing things apart. These
are abuses of <brand no-one should defend them, but the fact that
<brregularly gets mis-used doesn't mean that it should be removed.
Understood.
>
"one goal of using CSS is to eliminate all mis-used <brtags" might
be a better phrasing.
Works for me.
My pages are filled with <brtags, and I'm in no hurry to eliminate them
in favor of defining a bunch of new containers. When I read Meyer's
comment, I became concerned that I was going to be forced to rewrite, but
I couldn't understand why. Thanks all for your input.
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Jukka K. Korpela scribed:
>Ed Jay <ed***@aes-intl.comscripsi t:
>I note in an Eric Meyers book
Which book? Please cite by title and page.
"Eric Meyer on CC," Page 5, 'Converting the Document,' 'Stripping Down to
the Minimum:' "Things to eliminate include: <brelements (also listed are
entities, font elements, and other stuff.)
>
>that he expresses one goal of using CSS
is to eliminate all <brtags. Why?
Do you mean he does not explain that in the book?
Not that I saw. I must admit, though, that I didn't scrutinize the entire
book. I read the statement and searched the following several pages, but I
saw no further mention of it.
>
I guess Eric refers to the common abuse of using successive <brtags to
create vertical spacing. That's clumsy, coarse and unreliable, so surely it
should be replaced by the use of CSS.
Could be.
>
Besides, even legitimate uses of <brcan often be replaced by other markup,
usually <div>, and this may help in styling.
Which is where I thought was the direction I was going to have to follow.
>
Eliminating all <brtags sounds like a misconception, though. It's
impossible to say whether it would be Eric's misconception or yours.
I'm willing to buy into any explanation that will save me from having to
do a lot of unnecessary markup. :-)
Thanks.
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Andy Dingley <di*****@codesm iths.comscripsi t:
<bris good.
Empty elements aren't good in a language that is expected to be a logical
markup language. They are procedural markup in disguise, or just
misdesigned.
We may have reasons to tolerate and use them, but let's not call them good.
It's an inline element, and it's literally there as a
"line break", for when you need this _within_ a block of text.
What does "line break" mean in speech, in Braille rendering, or to a search
engine?
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