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hotmail loses BASE tag

Those who send HTML email and rely on the BASE tag may be interested to
know that hotmail seems to lose it. A multipart/alternative message I
sent to a friend who has hotmail did not work because the HREFs in the
HTML part were relative to the BASE that hotmail did not acknowledge.
Mar 27 '06 #1
14 1893
__/ [ Bruce Lewis ] on Monday 27 March 2006 08:47 \__
Those who send HTML email and rely on the BASE tag may be interested to
know that hotmail seems to lose it. A multipart/alternative message I
sent to a friend who has hotmail did not work because the HREFs in the
HTML part were relative to the BASE that hotmail did not acknowledge.


Hotmail (MSN/Microsoft) and (X)HTML are a classic oxymoron. The same goes for
CSS, let alone ActiveX controls. With bgsound, font sizes that are
quantified in Pt and so forth, quite frankly, I could not care less about
how Hotmail handles HTML. It probably gets worse when it generates HTML and
sends it to others. When my Supervisor sends me a one-line E-mail in Outlook
(without special formatting), the message size is 38KB.

Best wishes,

Roy
Mar 27 '06 #2
Bruce Lewis wrote:
Those who send HTML email and rely on the BASE tag may be interested to
know that hotmail seems to lose it. A multipart/alternative message I
sent to a friend who has hotmail did not work because the HREFs in the
HTML part were relative to the BASE that hotmail did not acknowledge.


What information were you able to convey in an HTML formatted message
that could not be conveyed in an ASCII formatted message?

See "Why HTML formatted e-mail is best avoided" at the end of
<http://www.dtek.chalme rs.se/~d97jorn/pgp/killhtml.html>. Beyond
Rönnow's comments, recognize that an HTML formatted message is 3-4 times
as large as the same content in an ASCII formatted message. For those
of us using dial-up modems (still almost half of those who access the
Internet from home) this means a delay in downloading the message. For
all of us, this means more disc wasted.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
Mar 27 '06 #3
"David E. Ross" <no****@nowhere .not> writes:
What information were you able to convey in an HTML formatted message
that could not be conveyed in an ASCII formatted message?


None. However, the thumbnail photos of my new baby look better rendered
as pixel images than they would as ASCII art.
Mar 28 '06 #4
Bruce Lewis wrote:
"David E. Ross" <no****@nowhere .not> writes:
What information were you able to convey in an HTML formatted message
that could not be conveyed in an ASCII formatted message?


None. However, the thumbnail photos of my new baby look better rendered
as pixel images than they would as ASCII art.


Put the pictures on a Web site. Put the link to the pictures in your
ASCII E-mail. It might just be my imagination, but I think Web pages
download more quickly than E-mail, especially through my dial-up
connection.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
Mar 28 '06 #5
Bruce Lewis wrote:
"David E. Ross" <no****@nowhere .not> writes:
What information were you able to convey in an HTML formatted message
that could not be conveyed in an ASCII formatted message?


None. However, the thumbnail photos of my new baby look better
rendered as pixel images than they would as ASCII art.


Send a text (ASCII, if you wish) message, and attach the photos. This is
not the same as formatting an HTML body.

But you knew that. <g>

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer
Mar 28 '06 #6
"David E. Ross" <no****@nowhere .not> writes:
Put the pictures on a Web site. Put the link to the pictures in your
ASCII E-mail. It might just be my imagination, but I think Web pages
download more quickly than E-mail, especially through my dial-up
connection.


The pictures are on a web site, and the text/plain alternative part does
include links to them. I am conscious of dial-up issues because that's
what my parents have. The text/html part references thumbnails only and
includes height/width tags. Seeing thumbnails right in the message is
more convenient for the recipients, since they can quickly scan through
to see if any look interesting enough to view full size.

For this particular use, multipart/alternative email is better than
sending only plain text.
Mar 29 '06 #7
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> writes:
Send a text (ASCII, if you wish) message, and attach the photos. This is
not the same as formatting an HTML body.

But you knew that. <g>


Think that through. Say you have ten photos. Even sending 640x480
JPEGs would mean about 500KB of attachments. What if everyone shared
photos that way?

On the other hand, if you attach thumbnails, there's no convenient way
to let recipients go to the full-size photos if interested.

With HTML that links to a web site, you can let thumbnails be displayed
right in the message, and hyperlink to the full-size images, without
flooding the mailbox.
Mar 29 '06 #8
Bruce Lewis wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> writes:
Send a text (ASCII, if you wish) message, and attach the photos. This is
not the same as formatting an HTML body.

But you knew that. <g>


Think that through. Say you have ten photos. Even sending 640x480
JPEGs would mean about 500KB of attachments. What if everyone shared
photos that way?

On the other hand, if you attach thumbnails, there's no convenient way
to let recipients go to the full-size photos if interested.

With HTML that links to a web site, you can let thumbnails be displayed
right in the message, and hyperlink to the full-size images, without
flooding the mailbox.


Or you could put the thumbnails together on a single Web page, each
being a link to the corresponding full sized photo. Then you send only
the link to that Web page in your message. See, for example, my
<http://www.rossde.com/Canada_trip/Seattle_Vancouv er.html>, which has 13
thumbnails, each of which is a link to a page of photos.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
Mar 29 '06 #9
David E. Ross wrote:
ASCII E-mail. It might just be my imagination, but I think Web pages
download more quickly than E-mail, especially through my dial-up
connection.


Nope, not your imagination.
base64 encoding (the standard for binary emails, and sometimes text),
encodes 3 bytes into 4 - a 33% overhead.

Chris
Mar 29 '06 #10

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