I shall jump on the XHTML bandwagon.
I run my perfectly good html4/strict pages thru
$ tidy -asxhtml -utf8 #to get:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head><meta
http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> <meta
http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw" />
knowing all the time as http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml says,
that all I am doing is downgrading my pages from html4/strict.dtd to
quirks mode... (I suppose one day some Prince Charming browser will
come along and detect all this so there will be some actual benefit.)
I will not use any .htaccess files on my web host. No more single
point of failures for me. Anyway my pages are to look the same if read
from file:/// or http://.
Furthermore, I will still use their same .html filenames and not
..xhtml, as I don't want to break everybody's links to me. (I
understand that one needs .xhtml and
content="applic ation/xhtml+xml..." in e.g., firefox to trigger any
XHTML treatment. I am thus far from that.)
For my English pages, even though I could still declare ISO-8859-1, I
shall declare utf-8, being modern and such.
So I suppose my only questions are:
Shall I fear the old browsers of http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/access...xmldeclaration
or go ahead and use tidy --add-xml-decl 1, producing a
<?xml version="1.0"?> or better yet add
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
UTF-8 or utf-8?
Though tidy doesn't, shall I still proceed and bother with the
<html xmlns="..." lang="zh-tw" xml:lang="zh-tw"> lang stuff, or is my
http-equiv line above "equiv" enough? 24  2646 
Dan Jacobson wrote: I shall jump on the XHTML bandwagon.
Please don't - as text/html it is, at best, silly. With the proper
content-type it enjoys little support from browsers, and support is
generally worse then for text/html documents (e.g. say goodbye to
document.write and incremental rendering in Firefox).
that all I am doing is downgrading my pages from html4/strict.dtd to
quirks mode... (I suppose one day some Prince Charming browser will
come along and detect all this so there will be some actual benefit.)
So this browser will check that the document is well formed XML, then push
it through an XML parser instead of a tag soup slurper? Sounds like a lot
of work for ... no benefit.
Furthermore, I will still use their same .html filenames and not
.xhtml, as I don't want to break everybody's links to me. (I
understand that one needs .xhtml and
content="applic ation/xhtml+xml..." in e.g., firefox to trigger any
XHTML treatment. I am thus far from that.)
No. For local files I believe Firefox pays attention to the file extensions,
for remote files only the content-type in the HTTP header counts. The Meta
data is used only to find out the character encoding when webservers fail
to specify it.
For my English pages, even though I could still declare ISO-8859-1, I
shall declare utf-8, being modern and such.
There are characters that one might use in an English language document that
have different locations in ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8. Don't lie about your
content type.
So I suppose my only questions are:
Shall I fear the old browsers of
http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/access...xmldeclaration or go ahead and use tidy --add-xml-decl 1, producing a
<?xml version="1.0"?> or better yet add
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
The text/html spec says that XHTML 1.0 defines a profile of use of XHTML
which is compatible with HTML 4.01 and which may also be labelled as
text/html. Appendix C of the XHTML 1.0 spec (which is the HTML
compatibility[1] guidelines) says that you shouldn't include an XML prolog.
Thus an <?xml etc ?> has no place in a text/html document.
Though tidy doesn't, shall I still proceed and bother with the
<html xmlns="..." lang="zh-tw" xml:lang="zh-tw"> lang stuff, or is my
http-equiv line above "equiv" enough?
http-equiv is also a joke. Use a real content type header. Use a lang
attribute in documents served as text/html. Use a xml:lang attribute in XML
documents.
Just avoid serving XHTML to clients, it is utterly pointless at present.
[1] This is a joke. It only makes it compatible with broken implementations
of HTML in *most* browsers. You get problems if a user agent treats <img />
in a text/html document as per the HTML specs.
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Dan Jacobson wrote: I shall jump on the XHTML bandwagon.
I invite you to check out my page ..... http://jp29.org/test.php
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Dan Jacobson wrote: I shall jump on the XHTML bandwagon.
OK. But could you offer some coherent explanation of what benefit you
hope to gain by serving that out to the WWW ? If you could, I think
you'd be the first.
I run my perfectly good html4/strict pages thru
$ tidy -asxhtml -utf8 #to get:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
Good to see that you chose Strict. Whereas XHTML 1.0 Strict is merely
silly - at least as text/html, XHTML 1.0 Transitional is frankly
absurd, after all this time for the "transition " to be completed.
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head><meta
http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> <meta
So you're serving it out as text/html, ergo you are relying on the
dreaded Appendix C.
http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw" />
we'll come back to that detail later
knowing all the time as http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml says,
that all I am doing is downgrading my pages from html4/strict.dtd to
quirks mode...
Hmmm? As long as you retain the above DOCTYPE, and avoid pre-pending
any <?xml... thingy, I'm under the impression that those browsers
which have a concept of standards versus quirks will be in standards
mode. Am I missing something? Do you have a cite?
(I suppose one day some Prince Charming browser will
come along and detect all this so there will be some actual benefit.)
Well, no, since XHTML/1.0 was *designed* to be functionally equivalent
to HTML/4.01, so there is nothing to be gained, even with an ideal
browser: with the browsers that are currently around, there's a bit to
be lost by changing from HTML to XHTML at *this* level.
XHTML only brings worthwhile benefits when you can go further than
HTML4 (equiv. XHTML/1.0): but that's scarcely feasible yet on the WWW
(except for specialised usages, such as math, svg, ruby-annotation
etc., whose readers can be *expected* to get capable browsers).
I will not use any .htaccess files on my web host. No more single
point of failures for me. Anyway my pages are to look the same if read
from file:/// or http://.
No particular comment, other than to suspect that you are mostly
missing the point...
Furthermore, I will still use their same .html filenames and not
.xhtml, as I don't want to break everybody's links to me.
OK, but there's no compulsion to use *any filename extension at all*:
the WWW was designed to work with *URLs* and with *HTTP
content-types*, irrespective of the local peculiarities of a file
system. It's your responsibility to sort that out with your own HTTPD
configuration (.htaccess and so on).
(I understand that one needs .xhtml and
content="applic ation/xhtml+xml..." in e.g., firefox to trigger any
XHTML treatment. I am thus far from that.)
It wouldn't be of any value to you at the moment anyway - in fact it
has some disadvantages, as you'd know if you'd been reading earlier
discussions.
I must say, the more that I read of your posting, the less convinced I
become that you have bothered to read any of the previous discussions
of any of these issues.
So I suppose my only questions are:
But you seem to have missed all the important questions of principle,
so I'm not sure there's any point in bothering with your questions of
detail.
Shall I fear the old browsers of
http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/access...xmldeclaration
or go ahead and use tidy --add-xml-decl 1, producing a
<?xml version="1.0"?> or better yet add
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
UTF-8 or utf-8?
Don't you fear the "old browser" called MSIE6 and its predecessors?
Though tidy doesn't, shall I still proceed and bother with the
<html xmlns="..." lang="zh-tw" xml:lang="zh-tw"> lang stuff, or is my
http-equiv line above "equiv" enough?
HTTP content-language and (X)HTML language are not the same thing -
they are at different levels of the protocol, for one thing. <meta
http-equiv=...> from HTML's point of view is just an opaque container,
it means nothing to HTML itself. Whether it means anything to XHTML
is even more dubious, IMHO. If you want an HTTP Language, then you'd
be better advised to tell your HTTP server about it. If you want an
HTML language (and the WAI guidelines say that you do) then you need
to put it on the <html...> container. Plus language attributes for
any elements which differ, if you're doing the job properly.
James Pickering wrote: I invite you to check out my page .....
http://jp29.org/test.php
So I visit the page and get ...
application/xhtml+xml D)ownload, or C)ancel
How helpful.
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Home is where the ~/.bashrc is
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, David Dorward wrote: James Pickering wrote: I invite you to check out my page .....
http://jp29.org/test.php
So I visit the page and get ...
application/xhtml+xml D)ownload, or C)ancel
I recognise a Lynx response - but I don't understand why that
happened.
My Lynx sends his server a rather elaborate Accept: header, but I note
that it contains text/html explicitly, but does *not* contain
application/xhtml+xml; it ends with "*/*;q=0.01" - but that clearly
should take second place, when text/html is Accept-ed (with default
q). The server headers say:
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Zeus/3.4
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:56:10 GMT
Connection: close
Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml;chars et=utf-8
Vary: Negotiate, Accept
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.1.2
The headers (see "Vary:") *do* imply that some kind of negotiation is
happening, but, based on what we see here, it seems to me that the
server-side negotiation is b0rked.
AFAIK, Zeus is based on Apache, and probably has a perfectly good
mod_negotiate built in. Not clear why PHP needs to invent a square
wheel?
Dan Jacobson wrote: I shall jump on the XHTML bandwagon.
Good for you. You'll jump off it again one day when you realise it's
not going anywhere yet.
Although, this endless debate about HTML vs. XHTML that keeps coming up
every few weeks on every related mailing list, newsgroup and forum
around the world is really pointless. The debate was won long ago (HTML
4 was victorious). But in the end, the most important issue is that the
document is accessible and degrades gracefully in older browsers, and
the use of a DOCTYPE that triggers standards mode (i.e. don't use the
XML Declaration, it triggers quirks mode in IE)
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
Do you realise that the meta element is completely useless in XHTML, and
is an inferior substitute for real HTTP headers in HTML?
I will not use any .htaccess files on my web host.
Why?
I think you need to read my article and address all the issues involved
with using XHTML correctly. If you don't, there really is no point in
using XHTML at all. http://lachy.id.au/log/2005/12/xhtml-beginners
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Alan J. Flavell wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: http://lachy.id.au/log/2005/12/xhtml-beginners
Aaaargh, microfonts.
[...] Sorry, although then there's nothing stopping you from increasing
it.
Sure - I normally have min. font size in effect (thanks to Mozilla).
I just happened to have disabled that (thanks to Chris Pederick ;-) a
little earlier, to review someone else's site for CSS, and had left it
disabled, otherwise I wouldn't have noticed.
But I was thinking more about the impression it creates for someone
who really is a "beginner". Although, to move the discussion back on
topic for ciwah, it might be that your content is written *for*
experts, even though it's *about* beginners.
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