http://mysite.verizon.net/gdguarino/montauk.htm
You can also click on the other pages of the site if the problem
doesn't show itself on this page.
I'm using two stylesheets for each page, one with the position and size
information for each element and another for the color and background
info. The position stylesheet is common to all pages.
Sometimes only the "color" stylesheet loads, leaving the page a mess.
Reloading the page fixes it. My suspicion is that it's just lousy
hosting (Verizon, free with my account). Could it be something else?
For instance, is my syntax right for calling up the two stylesheets?
(probably not, although it does seem to work).
Greg Guarino 14  2056  g@risky-biz.com wrote: http://mysite.verizon.net/gdguarino/montauk.htm
Sometimes only the "color" stylesheet loads, leaving the page a mess.
Reloading the page fixes it. My suspicion is that it's just lousy
hosting (Verizon, free with my account). Could it be something else?
For instance, is my syntax right for calling up the two stylesheets?
(probably not, although it does seem to work).
I see no such problem here. Mozilla v1.7.12.
What browser are you using? Have you tried another browser? Is it
through a proxy? Did you flush the cache?
Remove the "<!-- -->" delimiters. They are unnecessary. Browsers that
find those necessary ignore @import anyway. And they may be confusing your
browser.
Normally the contents are quoted, url("photobasic .css"), to minimize
quirks with the OS. Just the quoted filename is normally all that is needed.
You really should have a doctype for your pages. It encourages a
uniform experience across browsers.
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:03:33 -0700, Jim Moe
<jm************ ***@sohnen-moe.com> wrote: g@risky-biz.com wrote: http://mysite.verizon.net/gdguarino/montauk.htm
Sometimes only the "color" stylesheet loads, leaving the page a mess.
Reloading the page fixes it. My suspicion is that it's just lousy
hosting (Verizon, free with my account). Could it be something else?
For instance, is my syntax right for calling up the two stylesheets?
(probably not, although it does seem to work).
I see no such problem here. Mozilla v1.7.12.
What browser are you using?
Firefox 1.4Have you tried another browser?
Not today, but I think it happened in IE as well.Is it
through a proxy?
I'm not sure I know what that is. I've got Verizon DSL at home and at
work
Did you flush the cache?
I just did now and I can't make the problem occur now, but I suspect
that it may only happen after I've changed the pages.
Remove the "<!-- -->" delimiters. They are unnecessary. Browsers that
find those necessary ignore @import anyway. And they may be confusing your
browser.
Done. Thanks
Normally the contents are quoted, url("photobasic .css"), to minimize
quirks with the OS. Just the quoted filename is normally all that is needed.
You really should have a doctype for your pages. It encourages a
uniform experience across browsers.
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
Also done. Thanks again.
This is just a photo gallery site I'm putting together in my spare
time. I also use it to experiment a bit with web design concepts as I
learn them. In other words, it's nothing crucial. I'm still curious to
know if this problem shows up on anyone else's computer.
Greg Guarino
In article <7m************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Greg G <gd*******@veri zon.net> wrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:03:33 -0700, Jim Moe
<jm************ ***@sohnen-moe.com> wrote:
You really should have a doctype for your pages. It encourages a
uniform experience across browsers.
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
Also done. Thanks again.
Now submit your URL to <http://validator.w3.or g/> to validate your HTML
and your CSS URL to <http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/> to validate
your CSS. All kinds of problems can be discovered by submitting the page
to these two sites.
This is just a photo gallery site I'm putting together in my spare
time. I also use it to experiment a bit with web design concepts as I
learn them.
Those validators will help you in your experiments.
In other words, it's nothing crucial. I'm still curious to
know if this problem shows up on anyone else's computer.
There may be other problems to worry about once the page validates.
Different browsers display the pages somewhat differently. A lot depends
on how much that stresses _you_ out.
leo
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Jim Moe <jm************ ***@sohnen-moe.com> writes: Remove the "<!-- -->" delimiters. They are unnecessary. Browsers
that find those necessary ignore @import anyway.
The pseudo comments are generally useless alright, but HTML may not
necessarily be processed by browsers exclusively.
And they may be confusing your browser.
I have about 40 (I think). Which ones of yours get confused
(admittedly, I'm not at all taking those into account who cannot resolve
virtual hosts without a proxy)?
Normally the contents are quoted, url("photobasic .css"),
IIRC there are 5 ways to do that, syntactically; where does it say which
one is 'normal'?
to minimize quirks with the OS.
I know differences within browsers, but the OS? Which one (I only have
3 [well, 5, but not conveniently], so I'm always curious)?
You really should have a doctype for your pages.
What is 'a doctype' (I assume 'document type declaration' and rephrase:
'why')?
It encourages a
uniform experience across browsers.
Only in broken software.
And all of a sudden, I recall Nielsen's categorical imperative 'users
don't scroll'.
| In standards-compliant mode, compatibility with other versions of
| Internet Explorer is not guaranteed. When standards-compliant mode is
| switched on, the rendering behavior of documents might differ in
| future versions of Internet Explorer. You should not use this mode for
| content that is fixed in nature, such as content that is stored on a
| CD.
<msdn.microsoft .com/library/en-us/dnie60/html/cssenhancements .asp>
Eric B. Bednarz wrote: And they may be confusing your browser.
I have about 40 (I think). Which ones of yours get confused
40 browsers? Impressive!
None, all one of them had no problem. It was conjecture since the OP
did not mention which browser he has. Normally the contents are quoted, url("photobasic .css"),
IIRC there are 5 ways to do that, syntactically; where does it say which
one is 'normal'?
5 ways to quote?to minimize quirks with the OS.
I know differences within browsers, but the OS? Which one (I only have
3 [well, 5, but not conveniently], so I'm always curious)?
Right. Quoting gets the string to the OS unchanged. I was vaguely
recalling a different problem/solution. You really should have a doctype for your pages.
What is 'a doctype' (I assume 'document type declaration' and rephrase:
'why')?
Now you are just being silly.
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Jim Moe <jm************ ***@sohnen-moe.com> writes: 40 browsers? Impressive!
Not really. Take NN4; the JS engine differs between subversions and
even equal versions on different OSs, so serious retro DHTML development
would require some 9-12 NN4 versions alone. ;-) Normally the contents are quoted, url("photobasic .css"),
IIRC there are 5 ways to do that, syntactically; where does it say
which one is 'normal'?
5 ways to quote?
Bad wording on my account; 5 ways to @import. What is 'a doctype' (I assume 'document type declaration' and
rephrase: 'why')?
Now you are just being silly.
I'm a very silly person alright, but 'a doctype' is a very silly
colloquial expression ('document type declaration'?, acronym for
'document type'?, the 'doctype' keyword in a markup declaration?).
As of deliberate abuse of a markup declaration as a processing
instruction, I'm not silly at all but just a grumpy old man (especially
for IE6, there are pragmatic reasons to avoid 'standards compliance'
mode as well).
On 27/10/2005 02:57, Eric B. Bednarz wrote: The pseudo comments [in STYLE elements] are generally useless
alright, but HTML may not necessarily be processed by browsers
exclusively.
If a user agent (including search engine bots) written after HTML 3.2
was published (where STYLE was first 'officially' defined) couldn't
handle STYLE elements (or SCRIPT, for that matter) correctly, wouldn't
it be broken? Even if it has no intention of using the contents of these
elements, it should recognise them and then ignore them.
[snip]
| In standards-compliant mode, compatibility with other
| versions of Internet Explorer is not guaranteed.
Obviously standards-compliant CSS isn't compatible with earlier versions
because they're broken (or is that feature-rich? ;).
| When standards-compliant mode is switched on, the rendering
| behavior of documents might differ in | future versions of
| Internet Explorer.
Indeed. However, evidence would suggest that those changes would mean
that IE will be better at rendering documents correctly, which I hardly
think is a bad thing (as long as bugs are /fixed/, not introduced).
[snip]
Mike
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:57:55 +0200, Eric B. Bednarz sent: And all of a sudden, I recall Nielsen's categorical imperative 'users
don't scroll'.
In standards-compliant mode, compatibility with other versions of
Internet Explorer is not guaranteed. When standards-compliant mode is
switched on, the rendering behavior of documents might differ in
future versions of Internet Explorer. You should not use this mode for
content that is fixed in nature, such as content that is stored on a
CD.
<msdn.microsoft .com/library/en-us/dnie60/html/cssenhancements .asp>
Ho hum, and are we surprised that Microsoft would advocate against doing
something properly, because it might bugger up in their software?
I'm not.
Though, of course, just about every single release of IE has behaved
differently, I don't expect future ones to be any better, and not
complying with standards is only going to make things worse (for you and
them), in the future.
Based on past behaviour, I don't see any reason why deliberately using
crap HTML is going to give you more consistent results than using HTML
nicely.
I'd say that their, "You should not use this mode for ..." comment is
outright bad advice.
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Eric B. Bednarz wrote: What is 'a doctype' (I assume 'document type declaration' and
rephrase: 'why')?
Now you are just being silly.
I'm a very silly person alright, but 'a doctype' is a very silly
colloquial expression ('document type declaration'?, acronym for
'document type'?, the 'doctype' keyword in a markup declaration?).
So was I. Maybe pedantic would have been better.
Nevertheless, "Doctype" is easier than "Specifying a document type
declaration using the DOCTYPE keyword and syntax."
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