I saved an html page the other day that encoded some punctuation with codes
like
?T --> apostrophe
(in case those characters don't show up in your news reader that's
a_circumflex + euro + trademark)
--Art
7  3793 
"Art M" <aa*****@cox.ne t> wrote: I saved an html page the other day that encoded some punctuation with
codes like
?T --> apostrophe
This would be much easier if you had told _which_ page (and which
apostrophe - there are several characters that are called "apostrophe ").
The odds are that you have saved a UTF-8 encoded page and are now looking
at its source code using an editor that does not grok UTF-8 or simply
does not know the encoding.
(in case those characters don't show up in your news reader that's
a_circumflex + euro + trademark)
Your Usenet message specified no encoding, so all characters are assumed
to be Ascii characters. So the problem is not so much in our newsreaders
but in your way of sending data.
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
"Jukka K. Korpela" <jk******@cs.tu t.fi> wrote in message
news:Xn******** *************** *****@193.229.0 .31... "Art M" <aa*****@cox.ne t> wrote:
I saved an html page the other day that encoded some punctuation with
codes like
?T --> apostrophe
This would be much easier if you had told _which_ page (and which
apostrophe - there are several characters that are called "apostrophe ").
The odds are that you have saved a UTF-8 encoded page and are now looking
at its source code using an editor that does not grok UTF-8 or simply
does not know the encoding.
(in case those characters don't show up in your news reader that's
a_circumflex + euro + trademark)
Your Usenet message specified no encoding, so all characters are assumed
to be Ascii characters. So the problem is not so much in our newsreaders
but in your way of sending data.
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
The page is at http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...Lucid%22&hl=en
Odd thing is that when I view source from either NS 4.8 or IE 6.0 they show
the desired character, but when saved from either program they use these 3
character codes that begin with a_circumflex + euro.
What encoding should I have used to send my original post as plain text so
that the correct latter 2 characters showed?
Thanks
--Art
Never mind. It seems to be a problem with the Rich Text Box control or
program in which I'm viewing the saved file.
--Art
"Art M" <aa*****@cox.ne t> wrote in message
news:BDDed.1571 16$a85.29973@fe d1read04...
"Jukka K. Korpela" <jk******@cs.tu t.fi> wrote in message
news:Xn******** *************** *****@193.229.0 .31... "Art M" <aa*****@cox.ne t> wrote:
I saved an html page the other day that encoded some punctuation with
codes like
?T --> apostrophe
This would be much easier if you had told _which_ page (and which
apostrophe - there are several characters that are called "apostrophe ").
The odds are that you have saved a UTF-8 encoded page and are now looking
at its source code using an editor that does not grok UTF-8 or simply
does not know the encoding.
(in case those characters don't show up in your news reader that's
a_circumflex + euro + trademark)
Your Usenet message specified no encoding, so all characters are assumed
to be Ascii characters. So the problem is not so much in our newsreaders
but in your way of sending data.
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
The page is at
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...Lucid%22&hl=en
Odd thing is that when I view source from either NS 4.8 or IE 6.0 they
show the desired character, but when saved from either program they use
these 3 character codes that begin with a_circumflex + euro.
What encoding should I have used to send my original post as plain text so
that the correct latter 2 characters showed?
Thanks
--Art
Art,
I read the first little bit of the site you posted. I noticed it talks of
Hawaii. Should I then assume that the a_circumflex and apostrophe you are
talking about are the Hawaiian letters "a with kahako" and the okina? If
that is the case, please do some research for the proper unicode
characters for these letters. http://www.geocities.com/aloha_spiri.../alphabet.html
HTH,
La'ie Techie
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Art M wrote: "Jukka K. Korpela" <jk******@cs.tu t.fi> wrote in message
news:Xn******** *************** *****@193.229.0 .31...
The odds are that you have saved a UTF-8 encoded page and are now
looking at its source code using an editor that does not grok
UTF-8 or simply does not know the encoding.
Odd thing is that when I view source from either NS 4.8 or IE 6.0
they show the desired character, but when saved from either program
they use these 3 character codes that begin with a_circumflex +
euro.
Nothing odd about that - indeed, you quoted the answer to your own
question.
When a page is sent out with its encoding specified (charset) on the
HTTP header, and then saved to a local file, the charset information
typically goes missing. When you then browse the local file, the
browser uses whichever encoding has been chosen as its default.
In this case, you'd want to switch that to utf-8 to view the page
correctly.
There's some folks who favour putting the charset into a <meta...>
in the document itself, for this very reason, although doing so does
also have some negative implications. Discussing the minutiae of that
here would probably not be useful: the first step is to get you up to
speed with the character representation model of HTML.
This was already set out in RFC2070, and there's a reasonable
presentation of it in the HTML4 specification; the W3C are developing
a more comprehensive document about it here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/charmod/
What encoding should I have used to send my original post as plain
text so that the correct latter 2 characters showed?
Well, that's a question about usenet, rather than about authoring HTML
for the WWW. Usenet specifications are still rather old-fashioned
about this kind of thing, and don't really welcome postings in utf-8
encoding, except maybe in specialised contexts.
Part of the problem with your usenet postings is that they don't have
proper MIME headers, and, as such, doesn't even conform to the
decade-old MIME specification. I'm told that it's possible to tame
that Lookout-Excess thingy into posting to usenet in a form that's in
somewhat closer agreement with generally-accepted usenet conventions.
But as I don't use it myself, I'm not best-placed to give advice,
other than to suggest using something else as your usenet client.
all the best
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Art M wrote: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
??T --> apostrophe
(in case those characters don't show up in your news reader that's
a_circumflex + euro + trademark)
Perhaps _you_ should use a newsreader instead of this surrogate
from Microsoft. If you continue to use Outlook Express, then
select
Tools > Options > Send
Mail Sending Format > Plain Text Settings > Message format MIME
News Sending Format > Plain Text Settings > Message format MIME
Encode text using: None
to send special, non-ASCII characters.
--
Top-posting.
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