I am a bit curious about this.
The graphic design people I work with say it is their preferred font for
web pages. The reason being that it is "kinder" to the eye both in terms
of shape and size.
The HTML "hardcore elititst" profess that it is a useless font because
it is too big compared to other fonts.
Personally I do not care one way or the other, but I generally trust
graphic designers more than programmers and rules lawyers when it comes
to pure design.
It seems to me that the only argument against using Verdana is that a
large number of browsers do not support it and therefore it causes their
pages to render with a very small font.
Can anyone honestly say they do not have the Verdana font installed?
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kchayka wrote: Given a choice of only 3 serif and 3 sans-serif fonts (Comic Sans isn't
even a consideration, IMO), the results aren't that surprising.
If your only sans-serif choices are Verdana, Arial and Tahoma, which do
you prefer? But, if you had your choice of any font at all, what would
it be?
Verdana IS the best font hands down. But it is not a good choice when it
is time-sharing (;-0) with others you aren't sure of...
I my opinion this is the best compromize for the best typography
attainable on the web at this time...
Serif font styled as
(font: medium Georgia, serif;) for display
(font: 10.5pt normal "Times New Roman", serif;) for print
Monospace font styled as
(font: medium "Courier New", monospace;) for display
(font: 10.5pt "Courier New", monospace;) for print
Sans-serif font styled as
(font: medium "Lucida Sans Unicode", sans-serif;) for display
(font: 10.5pt "Lucida Sans Unicode", sans-serif;) for print
Thank you...
Rich
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, =?ISO-8859-
1?Q?St=E5le_S=E 6b=F8e?= wrote: kchayka wrote: John C. Ring, Jr. wrote:
I seem to detect something of a general consensus that striving for
accessability is a priority among the debatants. If that is the case one
must strive to produce a website that looks good with the most common
fonts installed on systems, namely the ones used in the test.
I agree that limited number of fonts is not problem. The last one with
couple obscure fonts wont have any meaning. To get idea what kind of wont
is best, much bigger sample should be used, and since that would make
results unablicable to WWW...
Therefore I am of the opinion that these test results are very
applicable in homes and offices all around the latin-letters-using
world. If leaving font choice to the user is not an option
That is not possible. Font choise is always in users hand, so ignoring it
just creates additional problems.
one would be wise to take these conclusions under serious consideration.
Conclusions are? That bigger font is easier to read? And that there is
dislike towards TNR, which is not based on readability?
The results might be totally different, if using normal monitor, with
85Hz and 96ppi.
The results might be totally different, if actually comparing similarly
sized fonts. (in terms of how much nicely laid out text takes, instead
nominal font size)
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>
Utrecht, NL.
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, SeaPlusPlus wrote: If your do any testing it should NOT be on an analog display.
It you're to do any meaningful testing, it needs to be across the
spectrum of displays that your readers are using.
> SeaPlusPlus wrote: Emulate the look and feel of a book and you'll not be far from the 'ideal'.
kchayka wrote:
Reading a book and reading on screen are two totally different things.
True enough, but it shouldn't be... should it???
If you have a good desplay and you enable clear type and have paid
attention to all the nuances of what takes place when reading a book,
you should be able to duplicate the 'book' experience during the
'display' experience.
Thank you...
Rich
"Alan J. Flavell" wrote in
comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets:have you considered the possibility that the reader knows better
what's readable on their own display than the average web author could
ever do?
Ssssss! Infidel!
:-)
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"SeaPlusPlu s" wrote in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets:Verdana is NOT the problem... the problem is this misuse.
But it is not posible to specify it in a style sheet in a way that
is proof against problems, becausae its x height is so much larger
than that of other fonts.
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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"Ståle Sæbøe" wrote in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets:The thread as a whole was becoming difficult to follow and some
arguments were repeated across the board, being beaten to death with a
stick.
In the hope (apparently vain) of finding the formulation of words
to help you understand the issue.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/
in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets, SeaPlusPlus wrote: Lauri Raittila wrote:
That says what I believe... there is nothing 'wrong' with Verdana...
What's wrong is when it is misused. 80% is a misuse...
Lauri Raittila wrote:
As is Verdana with 100% size for body text. That is way too big,
especially too vide, and I get short lines. And it is especially bad if
there is no big enaugh linespacing.
Lauri...
Verdana is NOT the problem... the problem is this misuse. So the font is
NOT way too big. It is still the same point size is it not?
Yes, but to actually make anything readable, you need to use bigger line
height, and you end up getting heigher lines...
It has a
bigger x-height and it is certainly wider (which provides for more
readability). So why do you insist on casting aspersions on the font?
the problem is the misuses.
Because there is no way to use it well in WWW, while it was designed for
WWW, I see failure. They should have scaled it down, so that it would
look like TNR when set to similar size.
Well, you keep harping on the fact that low resolution screens make it
difficult to 'resolve' delicate character subtleties. No shit,
Sherlock... so what the user needs to do is to accomodate their lousy
screen with a forgiving font. That, madam, is not my job to provide
crumby fonts to the rest of the world because the user has a lousy
screen resolution.
Well, you keep forgetting, that users can't do that, unless you help
them, or else they have to forgot all fonts you specify.
Again, this has do to with the vertical line spacing of the fonts.
Georgia was designed with those restrictions in mind and therefore is a
good, no not just good, it a great choice for body text (or as I like to
call it... prose).
Well, I don't use it myself, I prefer TNR with bigger size. Why? Because
it is faster and easier to read.
In the seventies all we had were poor resolution screens with monospace
fonts; I be **& &^^%^&* if I'm going to saddle my readers with that crap
on the odd chance that someone would like to view my site on museum
quality equipment. ;-)
So, you assume everyone has big resolution?
As an aside... I remember how we thought we were in heaven when we
upgraded so our display screens actually could display LOWER CASE! ;-)
The problem you donät seem to see is that there is about 30% of people
still using 800*600, and most likely on 15". (w3schools)
--
Lauri Raittila <http://www.iki.fi/lr> <http://www.iki.fi/zwak/fonts>
Utrecht, NL.
"Martin!" wrote in comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets:Steve Pugh wrote: "Martin!" <ma**********@h ome.nl.knip.kni p.knip> wrote:
That's why using pt or px is a bad idea.
idealistic and thus unrealistic
I've used % for font sizing on dozens of commercial and public sector
web sites including some used by millions of visitors. Please tell me
how it is unrealistic?
Steve
in the sense that not everybody is willing to spend time and money to
tweak their code into a completely sizeable site.
You are looking at it backwards.
Making what you call a "sizeable" site is easier, and therefore
cheaper, than doing things in points and pixels, which seemigly
endless tinkering and still ends up looking different on different
browsers, screens, or OSes.
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