Adding borders... - Page 2

Jon Glazer

I have an anchor using a class that defines a hover subclass. The issue is
that the anchor itself doesn't have any border and when hovered it adds a
border, the problem is that when it adds the border, the text gets shifted.
Does anyone have any idea how to correct this issue? I would like to create
a transparrent or invisible border (spacer) so that there's room for the
visible border to appear when needed but I cannot seem to get it to work.
Visit http://callandermats.adconn.com/ and hover over left links to see what
I mean. The style sheet for this is:

..menu{
font-size:12px;
text-decoration:none ;
}
..menu:hover{
border-style:groove;
border-width:1;
width=100%;
}

Thanks!

Jul 21 '05

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Jon Glazer

Pretty difficult.

"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote in message
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"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
Oh, and one other simple example, there are not extranious <HEAD> tags in
the document. What it is evidently picking up is some javascript that
controls a separate window. One reason I don't trust these things.

Liar.
The page http://callandermats.adconn.com/
has

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">

<style>
... bunch of CSS
</style>
<script src="homefade.j s"></script>
<html>
<head>

So it does have the <html> and <head> in the middle of the page.

How hard would it be to move them to where they belong?

Steve

Jul 21 '05 #11

Jon Glazer

Simple question...does it look ok? I thought so.

"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote in message
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"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
Alt tags are definitely not a requirement.

Of course they're not, but only because they don't exist.
alt attributes on the other hand are mandatory.

Or is this a private page that no one on the actual WWW wil ever look
at?

Steve

Jul 21 '05 #12

Jan Roland Eriksson

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:09:10 GMT, "Jon Glazer"
<jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:

Right. None of those issues are outstanding problems given that they do not
cause errors on any browser (and I tested 8 different ones).
You are just a bit ignorant, thats all.
Alt tags are definitely not a requirement.

You are absolutely right there since there is nothing in (X)HTML that is
called an 'Alt tag'.

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Rex

Jul 21 '05 #13

Jon Glazer

Ignorant?

Highly doubtfull.

You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt tags") in
images (or img) tags.

"Jan Roland Eriksson" <jr****@newsguy .com> wrote in message
news:sc******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:09:10 GMT, "Jon Glazer"
<jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
Right. None of those issues are outstanding problems given that they do
not
cause errors on any browser (and I tested 8 different ones).

You are just a bit ignorant, thats all.
Alt tags are definitely not a requirement.

You are absolutely right there since there is nothing in (X)HTML that is
called an 'Alt tag'.

--
Rex

Jul 21 '05 #14

Steve Pugh

"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:

"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote in message
news:eh******* *************** **********@4ax. com...
"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
Alt tags are definitely not a requirement.
Of course they're not, but only because they don't exist.
alt attributes on the other hand are mandatory.

Or is this a private page that no one on the actual WWW wil ever look
at?

Simple question...does it look ok?

http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif
I thought so.

Yep.

Steve

Jul 21 '05 #15

Jon Glazer

Next time try it with your images turned on like the rest of the world.
"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote in message
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"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote in message
news:eh****** *************** ***********@4ax .com...
"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:

Alt tags are definitely not a requirement.

Of course they're not, but only because they don't exist.
alt attributes on the other hand are mandatory.

Or is this a private page that no one on the actual WWW wil ever look
at?

Simple question...does it look ok?

http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif
I thought so.

Yep.

Steve

Jul 21 '05 #16

Steve Pugh

"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:

"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote:
"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
Simple question...does it look ok?

http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif

Next time try it with your images turned on like the rest of the world.

Is that what you tell blind visitors? Is that what you tell Google? Is
that what you tell people who want to save time and money by only
downloading the images that they think are important? Is that what you
tell people when there's a hiccup on the network and your background
image doesn't get downloaded?

Adding alt attributes and setting a background colour for your content
area is the work of minutes. Your stubborness speaks volumes about how
highly you value your visitors.

Steve

Jul 21 '05 #17

Jon Glazer

Hahhahahhah

Wow, no I don't develop web sites for blind visitors. None of my clients
even consider that as an issue since their products are almost always
visual. Google has never had an issue indexing our pages.

Black is a background color.

So yep your right, I guess I should spend lots of time dealing with issues
that might effect 0.001% of potential visitors (not).

Gotta say that my clients are very happy, some of which make millions of
dollars on their web sites without anyone saying "hey, one of our customers
cannot tell what we have to offer cuz they don't want to download graphics".
Once I get a few comments like that I may devote a bit more time
concentrating on textual sites.

Any more questions?
"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote in message
news:p7******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...

"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:
"Steve Pugh" <st***@pugh.net > wrote:
"Jon Glazer" <jg************ ***@adconn.com> wrote:

Simple question...does it look ok?

http://steve.pugh.net/test/callandermats.gif

Next time try it with your images turned on like the rest of the world.

Is that what you tell blind visitors? Is that what you tell Google? Is
that what you tell people who want to save time and money by only
downloading the images that they think are important? Is that what you
tell people when there's a hiccup on the network and your background
image doesn't get downloaded?

Adding alt attributes and setting a background colour for your content
area is the work of minutes. Your stubborness speaks volumes about how
highly you value your visitors.

Steve

Jul 21 '05 #18

Christoph Paeper

*Jon Glazer* <jg************ ***@adconn.com> :

Ignorant?
To such a degree, that it's almost hard to believe you're not trolling.
You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt tags") in
images (or img) tags.

Let me guess, you've never had an actual look at the HTML specification,
let alone the DTD(s). Guessing again, you probably don't even know where
to find it nor what a DTD is.

F'up2 poster

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trying to set up dates with Saxon barmaids.
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Jul 21 '05 #19

Jon Glazer

Yes I know what all that is. Personally I'd prefer to spend my time on
paying and working sites than to nit-pick very little irrelevant details
that do not effect the actual quality of the site nor its functionality.
"Christoph Paeper" <ch************ **@nurfuerspam. de> wrote in message
news:opskj5msfl b8p244@crissov. ..

*Jon Glazer* <jg************ ***@adconn.com> :

Ignorant?

To such a degree, that it's almost hard to believe you're not trolling.
You need not put ALT="bla bla bla" (commonly referred as "alt tags") in
images (or img) tags.

Let me guess, you've never had an actual look at the HTML specification,
let alone the DTD(s). Guessing again, you probably don't even know where
to find it nor what a DTD is.

F'up2 poster

--
The English language is the result of Norman soldiers
trying to set up dates with Saxon barmaids.
---
A polar bear is a rectangular bear after a coordinate transform.

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