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Madison Pruet wrote: no - it's comp.databases. ibm-db2 and comp.databases. informix AND
comp.databas es
You will find the ability to read of great value if your career is in
IT. And you are not correct. Perhaps your reader is truncated the name
but it is indeed c.d.o.server.
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ARGGGGGGHHHH!!!
Dang it - you're right. #%$#@#$*()@@#$& %((($(#$$
Yeah like I don't totally embarrased myself on a regular basis.
For example my mangled verbiage above.
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Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:10:29 -0700, Noons interested us by writing:
DA Morgan wrote: Madison Pruet wrote: > I didn't know that Oracle replication was available on the standard edition.
> I thought that it was only available on the enterprise edition. Am I
> mistaken?
1. Please don't top post.
2. You are correct.
He's correct in that he's mistaken. Snapshot replication
(basic replication) *is* available in Standard Edition, 9i.
Advanced replication (master2master) is only in EE.
10g might have changed that, but that will be another
reason for people not to upgrade...
Just to expand on that a bit:
a) from the Oracle9i R2 New Features manual:
-----------------
Basic replication - SE and EE
Oracle9iserver fully supports bi-directional replication with automated
conflict detection and resolution. Supported configurations include a
single updatable master site with multiple updatable or read-only snapshot
sites.
Advanced Replication - EE only
Advanced replication includes basic replication functionality plus
multi-master replication, Replication Manager, and parallel propagation to
maximize throughput. (Advanced Replication was formerly known as
Replication.)
-----------------
b) from the Oracle® Database Licensing Information manual for 10g
-----------------
Advanced Replication (multimaster) - EE only
Basic replication (which is available with Standard Edition and Standard
Edition One) provides support for read-only and updatable materialized
views (for replication) and multitier materialized views. Standard Edition
and Standard Edition One databases can also act as a master site for
materialized views, but cannot participate in multimaster replication.
-----------------
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Canada-wide Oracle training and consulting
mailto: Fuzzy.GreyBeard _at_gmail.com
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HansF wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:10:29 -0700, Noons interested us by writing:
DA Morgan wrote:
Madison Pruet wrote:
I didn't know that Oracle replication was available on the standard edition.
I thought that it was only available on the enterprise edition. Am I
mistaken?
1. Please don't top post.
2. You are correct.
He's correct in that he's mistaken. Snapshot replication
(basic replication) *is* available in Standard Edition, 9i.
Advanced replication (master2master) is only in EE.
10g might have changed that, but that will be another
reason for people not to upgrade...
Just to expand on that a bit:
a) from the Oracle9i R2 New Features manual:
-----------------
Basic replication - SE and EE
Oracle9iserver fully supports bi-directional replication with automated
conflict detection and resolution. Supported configurations include a
single updatable master site with multiple updatable or read-only snapshot
sites.
Advanced Replication - EE only
Advanced replication includes basic replication functionality plus
multi-master replication, Replication Manager, and parallel propagation to
maximize throughput. (Advanced Replication was formerly known as
Replication.)
-----------------
b) from the Oracle® Database Licensing Information manual for 10g
-----------------
Advanced Replication (multimaster) - EE only
Basic replication (which is available with Standard Edition and Standard
Edition One) provides support for read-only and updatable materialized
views (for replication) and multitier materialized views. Standard Edition
and Standard Edition One databases can also act as a master site for
materialized views, but cannot participate in multimaster replication.
-----------------
Thanks.
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Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
"bka" <ba*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com.. . Replicaton to/from Oracle has nothing do with Enterprise and/or
standard edition - to replicate to Oracle or SQL Server, you need IBM
Information Integator.
On minaframe, you need to buy a matching nut for every screw you purchased.
Madison Pruet wrote: Does Oracle snapshot replication
1) replicate all of the trigger activity performed on the original table
2) distinguish between updates on a row and inserts/deletes on the same row?
(If not, then cascade deletes are not properly performed)
3) properly handle cascading updates
If I understand your question correctly, that is not possible
with ANY replication in any database version.
Traditionaly, when one replicates a table, one only wants the data
of that table. What you are saying is that the entire schema
potentially dependent on that table might also need to be replicated?
If so, I suggest you look at Dataguard: it's the appropriate product
to achieve it and yes, it does the lot. To try and do that with
replication is to pay a huge overhead to achieve something that can
be done a lot more efficiently with different technology.
This is why I generally don't consider snapshot copies as being replication.
They generally only replicate the data, and not the engine logic associated
with the base table.
Well, have a look at the Oracle doco. Replication has at least three
flavours nowadays (four if you count Dataguard): basic, advanced and
streams.
Streams is the most powerful, but being new you may pay a price in it
not being entirely debugged. Of course I'm not suggesting that Oracle
software is anything but perfect... ;)
The other two are just traditional replication subsets.
Have a look at Hans' reply, he details each of the two and
there is no point in me repeating. Even with basic replication,
you still get CRUD. But you won't get elaborate cascading dependencies.
Nor trigger effect cascading. For that sort of replication, Dataguard
is the answer.
Madison Pruet wrote:
no - it's comp.databases. ibm-db2 and comp.databases. informix AND
comp.databases
You will find the ability to read of great value if your career is in
IT. And you are not correct. Perhaps your reader is truncated the name
but it is indeed c.d.o.server.
--
ARGGGGGGHHHH!!!
Dang it - you're right. #%$#@#$*()@@#$& %((($(#$$
ker-chink!
;)
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g44g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. . Madison Pruet wrote: Does Oracle snapshot replication
1) replicate all of the trigger activity performed on the original table
2) distinguish between updates on a row and inserts/deletes on the same
row? (If not, then cascade deletes are not properly performed)
3) properly handle cascading updates
If I understand your question correctly, that is not possible
with ANY replication in any database version.
Traditionaly, when one replicates a table, one only wants the data
of that table. What you are saying is that the entire schema
potentially dependent on that table might also need to be replicated?
If so, I suggest you look at Dataguard: it's the appropriate product
to achieve it and yes, it does the lot. To try and do that with
replication is to pay a huge overhead to achieve something that can
be done a lot more efficiently with different technology.
Noons --- IBM Informix Enterprise Replication supports this functionality
with about 1/3 the overhead of the original transaction.
Madison Pruet wrote:
Noons --- IBM Informix Enterprise Replication supports this functionality
with about 1/3 the overhead of the original transaction.
Madison:
I've long ago stopped believing in fairies, godmothers
and other garden variety gnomes.
Spare me the "mine is longer than yours", I don't give
a rat's arse what Informix does, under or not IBM.
Tah?
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g43g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. . Madison Pruet wrote:
Noons --- IBM Informix Enterprise Replication supports this
functionality with about 1/3 the overhead of the original transaction.
Madison:
I've long ago stopped believing in fairies, godmothers
and other garden variety gnomes.
Spare me the "mine is longer than yours", I don't give
a rat's arse what Informix does, under or not IBM.
Tah?
Then why are you posting in comp.databases. informix?
You stated -
"If I understand your question correctly, that is not possible
with ANY replication in any database version."
That is simply not true. Now it may be true with the database that you are
using, but it is not true with IDS ER. There are replication solutions which
do support these functionalities , and yes - Informix ER does support them
with about 1/3 of the overhead of the original transaction.
I'm not playing any "mine is longer than yours" game. I'm simply pointing
out an incorrect statement which you made.
On 2 Aug 2005 17:54:03 -0700, "Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au> wrote: Madison Pruet wrote:
Noons --- IBM Informix Enterprise Replication supports this functionality
with about 1/3 the overhead of the original transaction.
Madison:
I've long ago stopped believing in fairies, godmothers
and other garden variety gnomes.
Spare me the "mine is longer than yours", I don't give
a rat's arse what Informix does, under or not IBM.
Tah?
Ah, intellectual honesty . . . at last he 'fesses up.
I use ER under 9.4; it works quite well. Relatively low overhead . .
.. . and I'm looking forward to 10.00.
If you don't want to keep Informix in the conversation, then please
drop comp.databases. informix from your post list. Give a hoot, don't
pollute.
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