One of my friends, Scott, is a consultant who doesn't currently have
newsgroup access so I am asking these questions for him. I'll be telling him
how to monitor the answers via Google Newsgroup searches.
Scott has heard a lot of hype about DB2 and Oracle and is trying to
understand the pros and cons of each product. I'm quite familiar with DB2
but have never used Oracle so I can't make any meaningful comparisons for
him. He does not have a lot of database background but sometimes has to
choose or recommend a database to his clients.
Scott has enough life-experience to take the marketing information produced
by IBM and Oracle with a grain of salt and would like to hear from real
DBAs, especially ones who are fluent with both products, for their views on
two questions:
1. What are the pros and cons of the current releases of DB2 and Oracle?
2. What other sources of *independent* information are available to help
someone new to databases choose between DB2 and Oracle?
This is *not* a troll and we don't want to start a flame war! Scott just
want some honest facts to help him decide which product is best at which
jobs.
--
Rhino
Nov 12 '05
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the true answer is to expand the question,
Ingres does everything that DB2 / Oracle can, and Ingres is cheaper than both.
It is free.
You get more bang for your buck with Ingres.
Regards
Michael Newport mi************@ yahoo.com (michael newport) wrote in message news:<63******* *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com>... the true answer is to expand the question,
Ingres does everything that DB2 / Oracle can, and Ingres is cheaper than both.
It is free.
You get more bang for your buck with Ingres.
Regards Michael Newport
well so is mysql, lets stick to 'mainstream' dbs that actually have a
measureable market share of some significance
"michael newport" <mi************ @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:63******** *************** **@posting.goog le.com... the true answer is to expand the question,
Ingres does everything that DB2 / Oracle can, and Ingres is cheaper than
both. It is free.
You get more bang for your buck with Ingres.
Regards Michael Newport
You are full of it. Just to take a small example, where are the tpc
benchmarks?
Jim
michael newport wrote: the true answer is to expand the question,
Ingres does everything that DB2 / Oracle can, and Ingres is cheaper than both.
SNAP OUT OF IT MAN - seems you fell into a trance 10 years ago. Life has
moved forward, and so have the RDBMS capabilities.
You seem to have come to a conclusion some time ago and are possibly now
living a life of myths and workarounds. Programmers living in the age of
mythology cost more to projects than products do! It is free.
Yes, the software is free. (But not GPL ... makes one wonder why!) The
software is also somewhat hidden - http://www.ingres.com is marketing only.
you need to go http://opensource.ca.com You get more bang for your buck with Ingres.
Sadly it's behind the times. The price is right for it's capabilties, but
the cost of compensating for this older technology can be enormous. Even
CA as much as admitted that they couldn't make money on it without a major
overhaul when they made it FOSS. Coming from CA, that's heavy!
Commonly required capabilities like ROLLUP and GROUP BY GROUPING SETS, CUBE
and common-table-expressions (aka WITH clause) make a huge difference -
unless one prefers to spend money in development and maintenance.
-------
FWIW, anyone wishing to compare SQL capabilities from a developer's point of
view might want to look at the relevant SQL language docco for each (listed
alphabetically) :
DB2: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data...manualsv8.html
Ingres: http://opensource.ca.com/projects/ingres/documents
Oracle 9iR2: http://www.oracle.com/pls/db92/db92....emark=homepage
--------
Now can we get back to the basic DB2 vs Oracle discussion?
/Hans
michael newport wrote: the true answer is to expand the question,
Ingres does everything that DB2 / Oracle can,
Which is, without a question, an outright lie.
If you can't dwell within the land of the truthful
try saying nothing at all.
and Ingres is cheaper than both.
Also less expensive.
It is free.
So is trash but I don't go dumpster diving. Why
this crazed religious fervor? A desire to honor
those that died with valor?
You get more bang for your buck with Ingres.
A claim not supported by contact with reality.
What you get is a product that was so unimpressive
to the marketplace that its owner couldn't sell it
to anyone so they decided to just off-load it.
Regards Michael Newport
But Michael, by all means, keep banging away at Ingres.
With any luck at all you'll last as long as those of my
colleagues that stayed with RPG II and ALGOL.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)
why should we ?
unless of course you are willing to blindly shell out your companies money. http://tpc.org/information/other/articles/TopTen.asp
The performance of databases is one issue, pricing is another. (Ingres
is FREE)
TPC results should not be used as a substitute for benchmarking of
one's own application if performance is a critical decision criteria
Michael
> SNAP OUT OF IT MAN - seems you fell into a trance 10 years ago. Life has moved forward, and so have the RDBMS capabilities.
Which is why someone at CA (finally) made Ingres OpenSource.
An ex-Oracle person if my info. is correct.
How many more RDBMS capabilities do you need to do your job ?
You seem to have come to a conclusion some time ago and are possibly now living a life of myths and workarounds. Programmers living in the age of mythology cost more to projects than products do!
I am now (1 year) working with Oracle and my work involves doing the
same stuff that I did with Ingres (see previous post).
So why buy Oracle when Ingres is free. It is free.
Yes, the software is free. (But not GPL ... makes one wonder why!) The software is also somewhat hidden - http://www.ingres.com is marketing only. you need to go http://opensource.ca.com
You get more bang for your buck with Ingres.
Sadly it's behind the times. The price is right for it's capabilties, but the cost of compensating for this older technology can be enormous. Even CA as much as admitted that they couldn't make money on it without a major overhaul when they made it FOSS. Coming from CA, that's heavy!
Behind the times means what exactly ?
What compensation costs are you talking about exactly ?
The cost of buying Oracle IS enormous.
Ingres is FREE, and v3 is just being released. Commonly required capabilities like ROLLUP and GROUP BY GROUPING SETS, CUBE and common-table-expressions (aka WITH clause) make a huge difference - unless one prefers to spend money in development and maintenance.
development and maintenance costs are human factors. -------
FWIW, anyone wishing to compare SQL capabilities from a developer's point of view might want to look at the relevant SQL language docco for each (listed alphabetically) :
DB2: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data...manualsv8.html
Ingres: http://opensource.ca.com/projects/ingres/documents
Oracle 9iR2: http://www.oracle.com/pls/db92/db92....emark=homepage
--------
Now can we get back to the basic DB2 vs Oracle discussion?
doubtful.
Daniel,
what do you do at the University of Washington ?
nothing to do with education ?
Regards
Michael Newport
michael newport wrote: development and maintenance costs are human factors.
Yes! And they are onging.
To reduce the total cost of a project over several years,
Reduce development and maintenance costs,
By writing and maintaining LESS code,
By having more capability in the vendor's product,
By using that capability.
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