What a Funny Goup! I Asked a Question About Boost (C++ Filesystem Interface) & All I Got Is: My Question Is Irrelevant!

[perseus]

I think that everyone who told me that my question is irrelevant,
in particular Mr. David White,
is being absolutely ridiculous. Obviously, most of you up here
behave like the owners of the C++ language. A C++ interface
installation IS ABOUT THE C++ LANGUAGE! The language
does not possess the ability to handle even simple file directory
manipulation.
Those wise people that created it did not take care of it. So, BOOST
is a portable interface that contains a FILESYSTEM for handling
files and directories in the C++ LANGUAGE!
Now, where are you coming from telling me that a question about the
installation of such an important interface does not belong to this
group? Where did you learn logic? In a mental institution?
Also, you are wasting a lot of bandwidth with your childish responses
about relevance or irrelevance. Do you tell CNN to stop bothering you
with its commercials every 3 minutes? Sure you do, pseudo-elitists!
Either answer the question I posed up here, or MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
MESSAGE! You are flooding the newsgroup with trivial and unnecessary
messages. YOU do that, not me!

perseus

[foo]

"Howard" <al*****@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bh********@dispatch.concentric.net>...

"foo" <ma*******@axter.com> wrote in message >

I see nothing wrong with having a 1000 post per day.

I would rather have one good newsgroups that covered C++ programming
in general, and be able to interact with all C++ programmers
regardless of their particular nitch.

As it is now, I have to scan through dozens of newsgroups to be able
to do that.

There are plenty of times in which I have a problem and I want an
answer from another C++ programmer, and not a generic programmer.

For example, if I need help developing an STMP class, I would not
prefer to go to an STMP group and get advise from a generic
programmer. I would rather get advise from another C++ programmer,
who would probably give me a solution that is better suited for my
language.

As it is, I can't ask such a question here, because the topic police
would jump on me like white on rice.

This is a ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is
not in the C++ standard, that it shouldn't be discuss here.

I totall agree that we need such a forum. I think it would be a great
help.. Unfortunately, this isn't it. We need someone to set up such a
forum, and to host it on their server for free. But, do you know any one
who wants to volunteer their resources for it?
-Howard

Actually, I participate in two web site forums that have this type of
scope.
************************************************** *************************
The C++ Expert-Exchange
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Prog...ges/Cplusplus/

You'll see me as teh 4th ranking expert there (Axter)

************************************************** *************************
CodeGuru C++ (Non Visual C++ Issues)
http://www.codeguru.com/forum/forumd...3682&forumid=9

I spend most of my time in these two forums, and I hardly ever visit
this newsgroup because it's so full of topic police who are more
interested in being rude then they are in discussing C++ related
topics.

[foo]

sh*****@flexal.cs.usyd.edu.au (Sam Holden) wrote in message news:<slrnbjid34.3lt.sh*****@flexal.cs.usyd.edu.au >...

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:18:37 -0400, Xenos <do**********@spamhate.com> wrote:

This newsgroup is for discussion of *STANDARD* C++.

isn't that what comp.std.c++ is for?

Nope.

comp.std.c++ is for discussion of the C++ Standard.

comp.lang.c++ is for discussion of Standard C++.

There's a difference.

The first is for things like design rationales for the C++ Standard.

The second is for things like programming techniques and usage of the
libraries in Standard C++.

OK,
We have
comp.lang.c++
comp.lang.c++.moderated
comp.std.c++

So what's wrong with using comp.lang.c++.moderated for those who want
the narrow focus, and for us libral minded users leave comp.lang.c++
for all things C++ related.

Again, what's the point of having two newsgroups with the same narrow
minded foucs?

[foo]

Default User <fi********@company.com> wrote in message news:<3F***************@company.com>...

foo wrote:

I think we should start a trend, and flood this newsgroups with a
similar posting every time one of these elitists, topic police geek,
(don't have a life), morons post one of there ridiculous topic
relevance message.

That would only be effective if there weren't kill files. Which there
are, and say hello to your buddy in mine.


Brian Rodenborn

I don't know what a kill files is, but if it means that you some how
set it up where you block out my posted message, I say great.
That will be one less topic police I have to worry about if I post a
question.

Yes, please block out my user account, so you never have to read my
messages again, and I never have to hear from you again.
Thank you

[Alf P. Steinbach]

On 12 Aug 2003 20:48:04 -0700, ma*******@axter.com (foo) wrote:

OK,
We have
comp.lang.c++
comp.lang.c++.moderated
comp.std.c++

So what's wrong with using comp.lang.c++.moderated for those who want
the narrow focus, and for us libral minded users leave comp.lang.c++
for all things C++ related.

Again, what's the point of having two newsgroups with the same narrow
minded foucs?

In one group (this one) you get answers fast, but the quality may be
lacking, you may be called various names, etc. And in particular, there
is an excess of newbies and just plain trollers. The former not just
tolerated but actively supported, the latter (you included?) not.

In the other group (the moderated one) it takes much longer to get answers,
but answers are generally more well-considered, there are fewer newbies
(e.g. since typical "lets ask instead of think" and "lets get some experts
to do the homework" questions are not accepted), and generally no trolling
or spam -- although there have been cases of faked moderation.

[David White]

foo <ma*******@axter.com> wrote in message
news:c1**************************@posting.google.c om...

What's the point of having such a newsgroup, when there's already a
moderate C++ newsgroup.
The moderated newsgroup was created in exasperation some years ago when this
newsgroup had more Windows questions than C++ questions. It was created for
people who didn't want to put up with a mass of off-topic questions and
rants by Jim Fleming. But it was _not_ done to just hand this newsgroup over
to those with Windows/MFC questions. This newsgroup's charter did not
change, and it has improved a lot since those days.
If you only want to see C++ Standard topics, why not go to the
moderate C++ topic area, and leave this newsgroup for all things
related to C++.

Because the moderated newsgroup has very slow throughput. People don't want
to wait half a day, or whatever the delay is, to see a response to a post. A
discussion (on-topic that is) that lasts one day here might take a month at
the moderated newsgroup.

DW

[foo]

Josh Lessard <jr******@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message news:<Pi**************************************@plg 2.math.uwaterloo.ca>...

On 12 Aug 2003, foo wrote:

This is a ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is
not in the C++ standard, that it shouldn't be discuss here.

Why is it ridiculous to only discuss things which are meant to be
discussed in this newsgroup??? This newsgroup is for discussion of
STANDARD C++ only. That is its purpose...and now instead of reading about
Standard C++, I have to read about people whining about why they can't
post things in this newsgroup which are irrelevant to its topic. THINK
ABOUT IT!!

************************************************** ***
Josh Lessard
Master's Student
School of Computer Science
Faculty of Mathematics
University of Waterloo
[phone] x3400
http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca
************************************************** ***

It's ridiculous because only in newsgroups do you have such ridiculous
topic controls.
You don't see that happen real life.
If you're in a class room that teaches only the C++ standard, and a
student asked the teacher about implementing an SMTP C++ class, what
do you think are the chances that the teacher would say, "No! We don't
discuss SMTP in this class. Go to another class that teaches SMTP!"
In most social face-to-face environments, you wouldn't dream of
telling someone that they're off topic, especially when they are
talking about a C++ related issue, although not the C++ standard.

Why should our newsgroup interaction be any different then how we
socialize in real life?

[Nils Petter Vaskinn]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:57:01 -0400, perseus wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:51:01 GMT, "Nils Petter Vaskinn"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

He, he.
I just placed a bet on how many more replies will arrive
before he gets plonk-ed the first time.
Still counting.
Well he may have been silently plonked without us knowing, but I won't
plonk him yet, the thread is kind of amusing.

But I've given up on educating him.

What did you bet?

regards
NPV

NVP,

Still having touble hitting keys in the right order?

What a stupid and uneducated Austrian.
Stupidity is of course a matter of opinion.
Uneducated is plain incorrect.
Austrian too. How did you come up with that (unless you're referring to
somone else), maybe you sholuld learn to read headers.
He has never learned how to communicate with other people.
I'm communicating with you right now.
He tries to be ironic too! Such a luxury for such an idiot.
I never tried to be ironic. I stated a few facts and asked a question.

pereus

NPV

[Matthew Burgess]

On 12 Aug 2003 21:36:54 -0700
ma*******@axter.com (foo) wrote:

If you're in a class room that teaches only the C++ standard, and a
student asked the teacher about implementing an SMTP C++ class, what
do you think are the chances that the teacher would say, "No! We don't
discuss SMTP in this class. Go to another class that teaches SMTP!"

I wouldn't presume that a) The C++ standards tutor even knows what SMTP
is, let alone how to implement it or use it in C++ or b) The other
members of the class want to listen about SMTP either. I would ask the
tutor (at the end of the lesson so as not to infringe on the other
student's time) if he/she knows how to implement an SMTP C++ class and
if not if they could point me to someone (or heaven forbid a book)
that might.

[Gavin Deane]

ma*******@axter.com (foo) wrote in message news:<c1**************************@posting.google. com>...

It's ridiculous because only in newsgroups do you have such ridiculous
topic controls.
You don't see that happen real life.
If you're in a class room that teaches only the C++ standard, and a
student asked the teacher about implementing an SMTP C++ class, what
do you think are the chances that the teacher would say, "No! We don't
discuss SMTP in this class. Go to another class that teaches SMTP!"
In most social face-to-face environments, you wouldn't dream of
telling someone that they're off topic, especially when they are
talking about a C++ related issue, although not the C++ standard.

Why should our newsgroup interaction be any different then how we
socialize in real life?

Because far more people are involved in a newsgroup like this than in
a classroom. If everyone in a class of 30 brings their own tiny
extension to what is topical, it doesn't make much difference.

I don't know how many people read this group regularly, but its a bit
more than 30!! If everyone here was to extend topicality in their own
little way, the definition of on-topic would be so wide as to be
useless.

It is just important to be courteous in a forum like this, but that
requirement applies equally to OP and respondent in a (hopefully
briefer than this one) off-topic thread. Netiquette is part of that
courtesy.

GJD

[Karl Heinz Buchegger]

foo wrote:

It's ridiculous because only in newsgroups do you have such ridiculous
topic controls.
You don't see that happen real life.
If you're in a class room that teaches only the C++ standard, and a
student asked the teacher about implementing an SMTP C++ class, what
do you think are the chances that the teacher would say, "No! We don't
discuss SMTP in this class. Go to another class that teaches SMTP!"
In most social face-to-face environments, you wouldn't dream of
telling someone that they're off topic, especially when they are
talking about a C++ related issue, although not the C++ standard.

On the other hand, this is exactly what any sensible teacher would
say: "We don't discuss SMTP in this class. But if you are interested
I can give you some hints and/or books about this topic. But we
do this out of class and not in this class which focuses on standard C++".

--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kb******@gascad.at

[Alan Morgan]

In article <c1**************************@posting.google.com >,
foo <ma*******@axter.com> wrote:

Josh Lessard <jr******@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message news:<Pi**************************************@plg 2.math.uwaterloo.ca>...

On 12 Aug 2003, foo wrote:

> This is a ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is
> not in the C++ standard, that it shouldn't be discuss here.
Why is it ridiculous to only discuss things which are meant to be
discussed in this newsgroup??? This newsgroup is for discussion of
STANDARD C++ only. That is its purpose...and now instead of reading about
Standard C++, I have to read about people whining about why they can't
post things in this newsgroup which are irrelevant to its topic. THINK
ABOUT IT!!

It's ridiculous because only in newsgroups do you have such ridiculous
topic controls.
You don't see that happen real life.

Yes you do.
If you're in a class room that teaches only the C++ standard, and a
student asked the teacher about implementing an SMTP C++ class, what
do you think are the chances that the teacher would say, "No! We don't
discuss SMTP in this class. Go to another class that teaches SMTP!"

Actually, the teacher would very likely say "I have absolutely no idea
how to implement SMTP. Perhaps you should get a book on the subject".

Which is essentially what this newsgroup is telling you to do.

In my C classes (many years ago) I had a networking class that taught
me networking, a graphics class that taught me graphics, an OS class
that taught me about operating systems, and a compilers class that
taught me to hate compilers classes and those who teach them. I
also had a C class that taught me C. I tried to ask the appropriate
question in the appropriate class.

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

[Attila Feher]

perseus wrote:

I think that everyone who told me that my question is irrelevant,
in particular Mr. David White,

Just like this post of your. Why do you waste bandwidth? Why do you rant?

A

[Greg Schmidt]

On 12 Aug 2003 20:35:57 -0700, ma*******@axter.com (foo) wrote:

"Howard" <al*****@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bh********@dispatch.concentric.net>...

"foo" <ma*******@axter.com> wrote in message >

> This is a ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is
> not in the C++ standard, that it shouldn't be discuss here.

I totall agree that we need such a forum. I think it would be a great
help.. Unfortunately, this isn't it. We need someone to set up such a
forum, and to host it on their server for free. But, do you know any one
who wants to volunteer their resources for it?
-Howard

Actually, I participate in two web site forums that have this type of
scope.
The C++ Expert-Exchange
CodeGuru C++ (Non Visual C++ Issues)

What? I can't discuss Visual C++ Issues in the CodeGuru forum? What a
ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is concerned
with Visual C++ that it shouldn't be discussed there.

--
Greg Schmidt (gr***@trawna.com)
Trawna Publications (http://www.trawna.com/)

[Agent Mulder]

GS> What? I can't discuss Visual C++ Issues in the CodeGuru forum? What a
GS> ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is concerned
GS> with Visual C++ that it shouldn't be discussed there.

It's just that Visula C++ code is so ugly ;-)

-X

[Attila Feher]

Greg Schmidt wrote:

On 12 Aug 2003 20:35:57 -0700, ma*******@axter.com (foo) wrote:

[SNIP]

Actually, I participate in two web site forums that have this type of
scope.
The C++ Expert-Exchange
CodeGuru C++ (Non Visual C++ Issues)

What? I can't discuss Visual C++ Issues in the CodeGuru forum? What
a
ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is concerned
with Visual C++ that it shouldn't be discussed there.

If it conserns Visual C++ or not does not matter. What matters is: does it
belong to the topic of the C++ language (there is only one: the standard
language). If not, it does not matter if it is Linux programming or Ada
usage or Visual C++ Windows programming: it does NOT belong here. If you do
not like it, you have a loads of other forums to choose from. These are the
rules for this newsgroup:

Welcome to comp.lang.c++! Read this first.

This post is intended to give the new reader an introduction to reading
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First of all, please keep in mind that comp.lang.c++ is a group for
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The FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) list has a wealth of information for
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http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit....html#faq-5.10

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[Greg Schmidt]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:24:26 +0300, "Attila Feher"
<at**********@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote:

Greg Schmidt wrote:

On 12 Aug 2003 20:35:57 -0700, ma*******@axter.com (foo) wrote:

[SNIP]

Actually, I participate in two web site forums that have this type of
scope.
The C++ Expert-Exchange
CodeGuru C++ (Non Visual C++ Issues)

What? I can't discuss Visual C++ Issues in the CodeGuru forum? What
a
ridiculous mentality to think that just because a topic is concerned
with Visual C++ that it shouldn't be discussed there.

If it conserns Visual C++ or not does not matter. What matters is: does it
belong to the topic of the C++ language (there is only one: the standard
language). If not, it does not matter if it is Linux programming or Ada
usage or Visual C++ Windows programming: it does NOT belong here. If you do
not like it, you have a loads of other forums to choose from. These are the
rules for this newsgroup:

I think you have me confused with someone else. I was responding
(sarcastically (or is it ironically?)) to someone who had complained
that they can't post whatever they want in this group, and then posted
their shining examples of utopian discussion forums where there are no
such rules, except for one of their examples apparently does have just
such a rule. (In fact, my statement was an almost word-for-word
duplication of their earlier complaint about this group's restrictions,
but you'll have to go back to my post or before to see that, since you
trimmed it from your post.)

--
Greg Schmidt (gr***@trawna.com)
Trawna Publications (http://www.trawna.com/)