Career in C

[broli]

A lot of people express disdain when I mention that I like C and find
it easier to use and understand than other languages. I detest the
idea of switching from one language to another and not being able to
learn even 1 properly. I just don't believe in having thousands of
languages mentioned on my resume. I did this in my engineering course
and gained nothign out of it. I don't consider my self proficient in C
either but I'm trying. This is the case with many fresh CS graduates
these days. They are exposed to many languages but nearly 99% of the
ones in my college(and even others) couldn't even write a simple
program spanning a few hundred lines in ANY language. I'm considering
to opt a career in software development using C but when I look into
the job openings, it seems most employers are merely interested in
people who know something about java or .NET. Very often the same job
has nothing to do with java or .NET or any programming language but it
involves using some stupid tool. I just don't understand anything
about the ways in which software industry is working these days. If
anyone mentions that they are very adept in C but don't have any
knowledge of Java, it is quite likely that they will be rejected no
matter how good they are as programmers. Are these people looking for
programmers or people with just a few certificates and good
interpersonal skills but zero programming skills ?? I've also observed
that people who often use the OO jargon are at the forefront when it
comes to deriding C. Windows was programmed in C, many popular games
and applications have been programmed in C then why do people look
down on this beautiful language ? What do you think about the future
of C and jobs in this field ??

[Eric Sosman]

broli wrote:

A lot of people express disdain when I mention that I like C and find
it easier to use and understand than other languages. I detest the
idea of switching from one language to another and not being able to
learn even 1 properly. [...]

Then you should probably seek a career other than
programming. This field changes more rapidly than most,
and a person who cannot learn new programming languages
and learn to use them well will quickly fall by the
wayside.

How long a career do you expect to have? Forty
years or so? Well then, what would be your opinion of
a programmer today who could use only the languages that
were available in 1968? No C#, no C++, no C, no Pascal,
FORTRAN but not Fortran, ... Met many JOVIAL programmers
recently?

Now look forward toward 2048. Do you think the period
of change is at an end? Go ahead: Try to tell us with a
straight face that programmers in 2048 will *not* be using
languages invented in the 2030's.

I do not believe there is any such thing as a "career
in C." A carpenter cannot build a whole career around one
hammer.

--
Er*********@sun .com

[Bartc]

"broli" <Br*****@gmail. comwrote in message
news:8a******** *************** ***********@e23 g2000prf.google groups.com...

A lot of people express disdain when I mention that I like C and find
it easier to use and understand than other languages. I detest the

>... Windows was programmed in C, many popular games
and applications have been programmed in C then why do people look
down on this beautiful language

I was agreeing with you up to this point. But to call C beautiful is
stretching it a bit.

? What do you think about the future of C and jobs in this field ??

Well I don't have any TLAs at all to put on my resume` and I wouldn't be
able to get a job either.

But if the programming world is full of NET and COM and OOP and whatever
then I'm just not interested anyway.

I'm sure C jobs are around but the choice might be a lot smaller.

In my case I was self-employed and could do what I liked.

--
Bart

[Morris Dovey]

broli wrote:

Are these people looking for
programmers or people with just a few certificates and good
interpersonal skills but zero programming skills ??

The personnel department gets a phone call saying: "We need two
more programmers for our project," and the personnel department
struggles to come up with a set of job qualifications that they
think will result in satisfaction. The simple truth is that they
don't have enough technical knowledge to know who's good and
who's not - and most of what they know comes from MS marketing.

One answer might be to identify those places where the first-line
manager is personally involved in the front-end screening
process. He/she will normally have a considerably greater
understanding of what skills are really needed and how well your
skills fit the need.

I've also observed
that people who often use the OO jargon are at the forefront when it
comes to deriding C. Windows was programmed in C, many popular games
and applications have been programmed in C then why do people look
down on this beautiful language ?

Talkers outnumber doers in every field. Those who can't /do/ a
good job do their very best to /talk/ a good job. It's not
unusual for people to talk up what skills they do have while
talking down the skills they don't have. This isn't limited to
programming, by the way.

What do you think about the future of C and jobs in this field ??

It really depends on what part of the field you're talking about.
For high-performance, mission-critical, and embedded projects,
the C programing language (and the need for people who use it
well) seems to be strong.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

[Richard]

Morris Dovey <mr*****@iedu.c omwrites:

broli wrote:

>Are these people looking for
programmers or people with just a few certificates and good
interpersona l skills but zero programming skills ??

The personnel department gets a phone call saying: "We need two
more programmers for our project," and the personnel department
struggles to come up with a set of job qualifications that they
think will result in satisfaction. The simple truth is that they
don't have enough technical knowledge to know who's good and
who's not - and most of what they know comes from MS marketing.

This is in a poorly managed company. I proper SW company would have
their PMs/Team Leaders draw up the required skill sets.

>
One answer might be to identify those places where the first-line
manager is personally involved in the front-end screening
process. He/she will normally have a considerably greater
understanding of what skills are really needed and how well your
skills fit the need.

>I've also observed
that people who often use the OO jargon are at the forefront when it
comes to deriding C. Windows was programmed in C, many popular games
and applications have been programmed in C then why do people look
down on this beautiful language ?

Talkers outnumber doers in every field. Those who can't /do/ a
good job do their very best to /talk/ a good job. It's not
unusual for people to talk up what skills they do have while
talking down the skills they don't have. This isn't limited to
programming, by the way.

Really? Wow :-;

>

>What do you think about the future of C and jobs in this field ??

It really depends on what part of the field you're talking about.
For high-performance, mission-critical, and embedded projects,
the C programing language (and the need for people who use it
well) seems to be strong.

[Ioannis Vranos]

broli wrote:

A lot of people express disdain when I mention that I like C and find
it easier to use and understand than other languages. I detest the
idea of switching from one language to another and not being able to
learn even 1 properly. I just don't believe in having thousands of
languages mentioned on my resume. I did this in my engineering course
and gained nothign out of it. I don't consider my self proficient in C
either but I'm trying. This is the case with many fresh CS graduates
these days. They are exposed to many languages but nearly 99% of the
ones in my college(and even others) couldn't even write a simple
program spanning a few hundred lines in ANY language. I'm considering
to opt a career in software development using C but when I look into
the job openings, it seems most employers are merely interested in
people who know something about java or .NET. Very often the same job
has nothing to do with java or .NET or any programming language but it
involves using some stupid tool. I just don't understand anything
about the ways in which software industry is working these days. If
anyone mentions that they are very adept in C but don't have any
knowledge of Java, it is quite likely that they will be rejected no
matter how good they are as programmers. Are these people looking for
programmers or people with just a few certificates and good
interpersonal skills but zero programming skills ?? I've also observed
that people who often use the OO jargon are at the forefront when it
comes to deriding C. Windows was programmed in C, many popular games
and applications have been programmed in C then why do people look
down on this beautiful language ? What do you think about the future
of C and jobs in this field ??

In any case, I think learning standardised languages is a good time
investment (e.g. C, C++, perhaps Java now that it gets open sourced,
XHTML, etc), since whatever happens there will always be a
compiler/interpreter for them (examples Free Pascal for Pascal language,
GCC for C, C++, Fortran, web browsers for past HTML/now XHTML, etc).

[lawrence.jones]

santosh <sa*********@gm ail.comwrote:

>
Software industry is concerned, first and foremost, with providing their
customers with problems

Ain't that the truth! :-)

"Brute Force Cybernetics: Creating a need and then filling it!" -- WEBN

-Larry Jones

I think we need to change the rules. -- Calvin

[CBFalconer]

broli wrote:

>
A lot of people express disdain when I mention that I like C and

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