want to learn C++

[Lee.kain]

I want to learn C++! does anyone have any advice?

Lee

[JoeC]

On Jun 21, 4:40 pm, Lee.k...@gmail. com wrote:

I want to learn C++! does anyone have any advice?

Lee

Yes, get started. I personally like accelerated C++.
http://www.amazon.com/Accelerated-C%...2463388&sr=8-1

It would depend on how much experience you have with programming.
Start by learning the compiler do a hello world program. Learn the
basics. A few years ago I was in the beginner mode. It is very
challenging. Take your time experiment. start with the standard
inputs and outputs. Learn the data types learn program flow. Don't
get too caught up with pointers, learn about the standard libraries
especially string and vector. C++ is a strict language but there are
ways to get around the strict rules. Learn the rules first.

[red floyd]

JoeC wrote:

On Jun 21, 4:40 pm, Lee.k...@gmail. com wrote:

>I want to learn C++! does anyone have any advice?

Lee

Yes, get started. I personally like accelerated C++.
http://www.amazon.com/Accelerated-C%...2463388&sr=8-1

It would depend on how much experience you have with programming.
Start by learning the compiler do a hello world program. Learn the
basics. A few years ago I was in the beginner mode. It is very
challenging. Take your time experiment. start with the standard
inputs and outputs. Learn the data types learn program flow. Don't
get too caught up with pointers, learn about the standard libraries
especially string and vector. C++ is a strict language but there are
ways to get around the strict rules. Learn the rules first.

Seconded. Also, DO NOT USE VISUAL C++ 6.0!!!!! If you're using
Windows, start with "console" programs, do not use MFC. Avoid
Microsoft-isms (stdafx.h and _TCHAR/_tmain). MinGW is available for
free and is highly Standard compliant (modulo "export"), and so is
Visual Studio 2005 Express, also compliant (assuming /Za. again modulo
"export").

[Herhor]

red floyd pisze:

>
Seconded. Also, DO NOT USE VISUAL C++ 6.0!!!!! If you're using
Windows, start with "console" programs, do not use MFC. Avoid
Microsoft-isms (stdafx.h and _TCHAR/_tmain). MinGW is available for
free and is highly Standard compliant (modulo "export"), and so is
Visual Studio 2005 Express, also compliant (assuming /Za. again modulo
"export").

I am also new in C++ programming. I use VC++ 2005 Express and that is
why I want to ask you about additional VC++ compiler/linker settings
which can assure the best ISO C++ standard compatibility because MS
created many self-owned C++ extensions, I don't interested at all.

[Joshua Moore]

depends on how much programming experience you have already.
If you have no experience, here is what helped me:
http://math.hws.edu/javanotes/
this is a great tutorial for java. learn that, the skills will
transfer over to c++ and the syntax is very similar. after that, you
can gather the rest from c++ code examples all over the web.

Josh.

Lee.k...@gmail. com wrote:

I want to learn C++! does anyone have any advice?

Lee

[red floyd]

Joshua Moore wrote:

>
Lee.k...@gmail. com wrote:

>I want to learn C++! does anyone have any advice?

depends on how much programming experience you have already.
If you have no experience, here is what helped me:
http://math.hws.edu/javanotes/
this is a great tutorial for java. learn that, the skills will
transfer over to c++ and the syntax is very similar. after that, you
can gather the rest from c++ code examples all over the web.

1. Do not top post. See
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lit...t.html#faq-5.4

2. Java skills do not transfer easily to C++. Often what we see here is
people trying to write Java in C++ and making novice mistakes (new-ing
everything, etc..).

[waltbrad]

>
Seconded. Also, DO NOT USE VISUAL C++ 6.0!!!!! If you're using
Windows, start with "console" programs, do not use MFC. Avoid
Microsoft-isms (stdafx.h and _TCHAR/_tmain). MinGW is available for
free and is highly Standard compliant (modulo "export"), and so is
Visual Studio 2005 Express, also compliant (assuming /Za. again modulo
"export").

Interesting that you say this about msvc++6.0 Right now I'm in the
middle of Prata's C++ Primer Plus. Once done, I intended to work
through this tutorial:

http://www.stromcode.com/wiki/index....Win32_Tutorial

to get some experience of using C++ with the Windows API. The writer
of this tutorial seems to agree with you in that he urges users to
download vs2005. Right now I'm using Dev-Cpp and am somewhat
intimidated about using a different ide/compiler. Is the transition
pretty simple?

[Gavin Deane]

On 22 Jun, 02:24, Joshua Moore <joshu...@gmail .comwrote:

Lee.k...@gmail. com wrote:

I want to learn C++! does anyone have any advice?

depends on how much programming experience you have already.
If you have no experience, here is what helped me:http://math.hws.edu/javanotes/
this is a great tutorial for java. learn that, the skills will
transfer over to c++ and the syntax is very similar. after that, you
can gather the rest from c++ code examples all over the web.

Please don't top-post. Thank you. Rearranged.

The OP wants to learn C++. You're the first person I've ever seen
suggest that they way to do that is to learn Java first. I can't
imagine how that can accelerate the process of learning C++. From what
I know of Java and of Java programmers trying to learn C++, I can
however imagine a lot of confusion for the OP if they go that route.

As for code examples on the web, I'm not sure that's a good idea in
general either. By definition, someone learning the language is
incapable of differentiating between the good examples and the awful
examples, and unfortunately there are a lot of the latter. I would
suggest the OP treats any C++ website with caution unless it comes
recommended by a reliable source. I would regard the general consensus
of this group as one reliable source.

To the OP: As well as "Accelerate d C++", suggested elsethread, you
might want to look at "Thinking in C++"

http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/...ngInCPP2e.html

I'm not personally familiar with it but it is often recommended in
this group. It's online and free.

Gavin Deane

[Scoots]

I'd say it depends on whether you are used to OOP (Object-Oriented
Programming) or not. If you're not, it can be horribly confusing.
Especially once you get into it and you suddenly have pointers flying
everywhere and not understanding when you're copying something and
when you're copying the address.

My suggestion if you don't know OOP, is you learn C#. C# on the very
basic level (before web, multi-threading, databases, etc), is fairly
close to C++. Infact, it's built off of it. I don't mean tinker
long, but long enough to learn how objects work, without having to
worry about the difference between a pointer and a reference. Once
you start to understand OOP (it shouldn't take too long), then
switching is much easier. Then it's just pointer manipulations of
what you've already done.

Obviously, some people will disagree with me. There are a lot of
places to start. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad ones too.

[Mike Wahler]

"Scoots" <bs*******@trax corp.comwrote in message
news:11******** **************@ k79g2000hse.goo glegroups.com.. .

I'd say it depends on whether you are used to OOP (Object-Oriented
Programming) or not.

I'd say it doesn't. C++ is not inherently an 'OOP language'.
It does have built-in support for OOP, but that's only one
of many styles it supports.

If you're not, it can be horribly confusing.

Disagree.

Especially once you get into it and you suddenly have pointers flying
everywhere

(Raw) pointers are rarely needed in C++.

and not understanding when you're copying something and
when you're copying the address.

The copying of objects and how it works does need to be understood,
but imo that's not difficult at all.

>
My suggestion if you don't know OOP, is you learn C#.

C++ != OOP.

C# on the very
basic level (before web, multi-threading, databases, etc), is fairly
close to C++. Infact, it's built off of it. I don't mean tinker
long, but long enough to learn how objects work, without having to
worry about the difference between a pointer and a reference. Once
you start to understand OOP (it shouldn't take too long), then
switching is much easier. Then it's just pointer manipulations of
what you've already done.

Concentrating on pointers in order to learn C++ is imo a mistake.

>
Obviously, some people will disagree with me.

:-)

There are a lot of
places to start. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad ones too.

Yup.

-Mike