C is too old? opinions?

[Lasse Espeholt]

Hi...

I am relativ new to the impressive and powerfull C language, but i
thinks it is obsolete...

The idea with header/source files where methods can clash into
eachother i don't like... Look at C# which is much cleaner with
namespaces.

Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

Something like:

a_source_file.c :

namespace SomeName(.SomeN ame)
{
area Stack
{
private int[] myStack;

private void someMethod() {};

public void push(int i) {};
public int pop() {};
}
}

another_source_ file.c:

using SomeName(.SomeN ame);

int main(int argc, char[] *argv)
{
Stack.push(10);
System.printf(S tack.pop());
}

I'm really annoyed ;) Is im the only own with that point of view?

If i was a really good programmer (which i'm not... yet! ;)) i would
developed a compiler and a much more simple (but still impressive and
powerfull) c...

Best and kindest regards
Lasse Espeholt

[Ben Pfaff]

Lasse Espeholt writes:

Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

It sounds like you can get what you want from C++.
--
"Some people *are* arrogant, and others read the FAQ."
--Chris Dollin

[Lasse Espeholt]

On 2006-07-12 23:29:50 +0200, Ben Pfaff <bl*@cs.stanfor d.edusaid:

Lasse Espeholt writes:

>Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

It sounds like you can get what you want from C++.

There is still the header issue which i'm not a fan of... I can get rid
of header files but it is still recommended, right?

[Walter Roberson]

In article <44************ ***********@dre ad16.news.tele. dk>,
<Lasse Espeholtwrote:

>Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

Please read about the "static" storage qualifier, and about "file scope".

--
Programming is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

[Andrew Poelstra]

On 2006-07-12, Lasse Espeholt <Lassewrote:

On 2006-07-12 23:29:50 +0200, Ben Pfaff <bl*@cs.stanfor d.edusaid:

>Lasse Espeholt writes:

>>Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

It sounds like you can get what you want from C++.

There is still the header issue which i'm not a fan of... I can get rid
of header files but it is still recommended, right?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. No, you shouldn't eliminate header
files. C++ has what you want with namespaces. What is "still recommended,
right"?

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Andrew Poelstra <http://www.wpsoftware. net/projects/>
To email me, use "apoelstra" at the above domain.
"You people hate mathematics." -- James Harris

[Lasse Espeholt]

On 2006-07-12 23:44:41 +0200, Andrew Poelstra <ap*******@nowh ereat.allsaid:

On 2006-07-12, Lasse Espeholt <Lassewrote:

>On 2006-07-12 23:29:50 +0200, Ben Pfaff <bl*@cs.stanfor d.edusaid:

>>Lasse Espeholt writes:

Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

It sounds like you can get what you want from C++.

There is still the header issue which i'm not a fan of... I can get rid
of header files but it is still recommended, right?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. No, you shouldn't eliminate header
files. C++ has what you want with namespaces. What is "still recommended,
right"?

I thought that header issen't nessesary in c++ but recommended, but i'm
not a c++ developer so...

I'm looking for the simplicity of c# without objects ;)

[Andrew Poelstra]

On 2006-07-12, Lasse Espeholt <Lassewrote:

Hi...

I am relativ new to the impressive and powerfull C language, but i
thinks it is obsolete...

Nah; in fact, a new standard was released around 1999, and it still
isn't implemented widely because the features from 1989 are still
perfectly useful today!

The idea with header/source files where methods can clash into
eachother i don't like... Look at C# which is much cleaner with
namespaces.

C++ has namespaces. You could try over there.

Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

If you qualify a function with `static', it isn't visible outside
of the file that it is defined in.

>
I'm really annoyed ;) Is im the only own with that point of view?

Around here, probably. :-)

If i was a really good programmer (which i'm not... yet! ;)) i would
developed a compiler and a much more simple (but still impressive and
powerfull) c...

There was a guy who did that... Bjarne Strousup, they called him.
(Although `they' knew how to spell his name properly.)

--
Andrew Poelstra <http://www.wpsoftware. net/projects/>
To email me, use "apoelstra" at the above domain.
"You people hate mathematics." -- James Harris

[Ben Pfaff]

Lasse Espeholt writes:

On 2006-07-12 23:29:50 +0200, Ben Pfaff <bl*@cs.stanfor d.edusaid:

>Lasse Espeholt writes:

>>Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

It sounds like you can get what you want from C++.

There is still the header issue which i'm not a fan of... I can get rid
of header files but it is still recommended, right?

I don't think there is a practical way to write large C or C++
programs without using header files. If you want to avoid header
files entirely, you'll need to move to something like C# or Java.
--
"Some programming practices beg for errors;
this one is like calling an 800 number
and having errors delivered to your door."
--Steve McConnell

[Richard Heathfield]

Lasse Espeholt said:

Hi...

I am relativ new to the impressive and powerfull C language, but i
thinks it is obsolete...

Fine, so don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to.

The idea with header/source files where methods can clash into
eachother i don't like...

Since C doesn't have methods, the problem doesn't arise.

Look at C# which is much cleaner with namespaces.

No thanks.

Why has C not namespaces and a "area idea" where some methods and
fields could be hidden from the outside?

Because the language definition doesn't say it has.

<snip>

If i was a really good programmer (which i'm not... yet! ;)) i would
developed a compiler and a much more simple (but still impressive and
powerfull) c...

Nobody is stopping you.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)

[Richard Heathfield]

Lasse Espeholt said:

<snip>

I'm looking for the simplicity of c# without objects ;)

Then C is the wrong place to look. C has objects. So does C++, so it's no
good looking there, either.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)