Think for a moment:
IF you were Bjarne Stroustrup in 1985 (or whenever he were doing it)
writing down C++, and knowing all you know NOW of the C++ language,
(pro, cons, features of today languages)... What do *you* change of it
to make a better (in any sense you want) language?
some example issues:
Unicode?
Native string type?
Simpler syntax?
Boxing/unboxing?
Pascal-like units?
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Massimo Soricetti wrote:
IF you were Bjarne Stroustrup in 1985 (or whenever he were doing it)
writing down C++, and knowing all you know NOW of the C++ language,
(pro, cons, features of today languages)... What do *you* change of it
to make a better (in any sense you want) language?
Just speculating - Wasn't Java designed with such a question in mind?
(This doesnot say Java is better than C++, but does say that Java is
better than C++ "in the sense Java designers wanted".)
Neelesh Bodas ha scritto: Just speculating - Wasn't Java designed with such a question in mind?
(This doesnot say Java is better than C++, but does say that Java is
better than C++ "in the sense Java designers wanted".)
"In the sense Java designers wanted". That's the point: they didn't mean
to create a better C++ at all. I mean "a better C++ in any sense".
(if I recall correctly, Java was born as language for microcontroller s
and small hardware devices, then developed to a general-purpose language
when SUN saw it was growing and choose to bet on it)...
"Neelesh Bodas" <ne***********@ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com.. . Just speculating - Wasn't Java designed with such a question in mind?
Nope. Java was originally the work of a single project that intended it for
a particular application area (Sorry, I've forgotten what it was).
Management wanted to cancel their project, so they looked around for a
different area to which they could apply it and found the Internet.
Massimo Soricetti skrev: Think for a moment:
IF you were Bjarne Stroustrup in 1985 (or whenever he were doing it)
writing down C++, and knowing all you know NOW of the C++ language,
(pro, cons, features of today languages)... What do *you* change of it
to make a better (in any sense you want) language?
Why not ask Bjarne about that? So far as I remember, the question is
answered on his homepage. If my memory serves me correctly he said that
he would not have changed anything.
some example issues:
Unicode?
I doubt that that would be a priority. C++ is a multi-purpose language
and the requirement to support Unicode would rule out lots of compilers
for embedded systems. That being said, proper Unicode support is
available in C++ today for those needing it (e.g. if you program on a
standard PC). This support is far better than for e.g. Java which seems
to be stuck with UTF-16. Native string type?
There is already a native string-type. Just #include <string>. Simpler syntax?
This would be nice for those beginning to use C++ but really is not a
major problem in daily use. I believe simpler syntax is impossible
considering the requirement for extensive compatibility with C.
Boxing/unboxing?
What would you need that for? Pascal-like units?
Pascal does not have units, but I believe I understand what you mean.
Again, I do not see much of an advantage here.
/Peter
On 7 Jan 2006 04:57:29 -0800, "peter koch"
<pe************ ***@gmail.com> wrote: Native string type?
There is already a native string-type. Just #include <string>.
#include <string> means that C++ has no _native_ string type. And yes,
even C should have one.
Best wishes,
Roland Pibinger
Roland Pibinger wrote: On 7 Jan 2006 04:57:29 -0800, "peter koch"
<pe************ ***@gmail.com> wrote: Native string type?
There is already a native string-type. Just #include <string>.
#include <string> means that C++ has no _native_ string type. And yes,
even C should have one.
Best wishes,
Roland Pibinger
In what way should a native string behave differently to std::string?
If it can be supported by a library, then there's no requirement to add
it in some "native" sense.
Ben Pope
--
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a string...
Once upon a time (Sonntag, 8. Januar 2006 12:38) Roland Pibinger wrote
some very nice things On 7 Jan 2006 04:57:29 -0800, "peter koch"
<pe************ ***@gmail.com> wrote: Native string type?
There is already a native string-type. Just #include <string>.
#include <string> means that C++ has no _native_ string type. And yes,
even C should have one.
Many widely used languages like C# or Java don't have native string types,
so why should C or C++ have one? What is the advantage of a native string
type?
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:59:40 +0100, Sebastian Wiesner
<Ba***********@ gmx.net> wrote: Once upon a time (Sonntag, 8. Januar 2006 12:38) Roland Pibinger wrote
some very nice things
On 7 Jan 2006 04:57:29 -0800, "peter koch"
<pe************ ***@gmail.com> wrote: Native string type?
There is already a native string-type. Just #include <string>.
#include <string> means that C++ has no _native_ string type. And yes,
even C should have one.
Many widely used languages like C# or Java don't have native string types,
so why should C or C++ have one? What is the advantage of a native string
type?
I thought that the string type in C# was native, but just had
reference value semantics and so felt different from the integral
types?
I could be wrong though.
W Marsh wrote: On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 14:59:40 +0100, Sebastian Wiesner
<Ba***********@ gmx.net> wrote:
Once upon a time (Sonntag, 8. Januar 2006 12:38) Roland Pibinger wrote
some very nice things
On 7 Jan 2006 04:57:29 -0800, "peter koch"
<pe************ ***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Native string type?
There is already a native string-type. Just #include <string>.
#include <string> means that C++ has no _native_ string type. And yes,
even C should have one.
Many widely used languages like C# or Java don't have native string
types, so why should C or C++ have one? What is the advantage of a
native string type?
I thought that the string type in C# was native, but just had
reference value semantics and so felt different from the integral
types?
No, its implemented as a class (System.String) . The "native" string in C#
is just an alias for System.String.
Even integral types are implemented as classes. These classes only feel
like a value types.
I could be wrong though.
You are.
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