English language question

[jacob navia]

The english word "Initialize d" exists. (Cambridge dictionary finds it).
The word "Uninitiali zed" doesn't seem to exist, and no dictionary
has it. I am using that word very often in my tutorial of the C language
with

"uninitiali zed memory".

Word flags this as a spelling error and tells me that the correct spelling
is

"uninitiali sed" with s
and NOT
"uninitiali zed" with z.

Can anyone here tell me what word should be used in correct english?

Thanks in advance

jacob

[Joona I Palaste]

Alan Balmer <al******@att.n et> scribbled the following:

On 22 Jun 2004 17:25:19 GMT, Joona I Palaste <pa*****@cc.hel sinki.fi>
wrote:

I know it ruins a
good joke based on a brand of baked beans, but I care more about
correct pronunciation than one silly joke.

Tell us the joke?

"Heinz meanz beanz".

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[Rich Gibbs]

Hamish Reid said the following, on 06/22/04 13:52:

In article <js************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Alan Balmer <al******@att.n et> wrote:

On 21 Jun 2004 20:58:39 -0700, jj*@bcs.org.uk (J. J. Farrell) wrote:

[It's ironic that American English seems to suffer much more from
French corruption these days. It always tickles me when I hear
Americans pronounce words such as 'valet', 'fillet' and 'herb' as
if they were modern French -
I'm not sure what you mean. I (and everyone I know) pronounce these
words as if they were American English, which they are, regardless of
their origin.

[snip]
*Every time* I (as a Briton living in the US) have asked why herb is
pronounced "erb", or fillet as "fill-eh" out here (California), I've
been told by native Californian-English speakers it's because they're
French words and should be pronounced as such.

This has been happening for 15 years now. It never ceases to amaze me.

In the case of 'fillet', I suspect it results because most Americans
born before about 1960 or so probably heard the word first only as part
of 'filet mignon' (which of course is French), and have just carried
over the pronunciation. (Actually, you will probably notice that many
menus spell the word with one 'l', though 'fillet' is a perfectly proper
American English word.)

The pronunciation of 'herb' without the 'h' is not so common in most of
the US (the part not on either the East or West Coast).

Having lived and worked in Britain for a number of years, I have to say
that I was also amused by the insistence of Britons (even the BBC
presenters, who should have known better) on pronouncing the name of the
large city in eastern Missouri, on the Mississippi River, as "St.
Louie". Anyone who lives there will tell you the name of the place is
pronounced "Saint Lewis". :-) I will not describe how the natives of
Havre de Grace, Maryland, pronounce the name of their town, to spare the
sensibilities of French readers.

Was it Shaw or Wilde that used the line, "two countries divided by a
common language" ? ;-)

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[Rich Gibbs]

Dan Pop said the following, on 06/21/04 08:29:

In <cb**********@n ews-reader4.wanadoo .fr> "jacob navia" <ja***@jacob.re mcomp.fr> writes:

The english word "Initialize d" exists. (Cambridge dictionary finds it).
The word "Uninitiali zed" doesn't seem to exist, and no dictionary
has it.

Think what happened if dictionaries attempted to handle all the possible
prefixes for all the words accepting them. Many obvious cases are
deliberately omitted.

My (printed) _American Heritage Dictionary_ just lists the most common
words formed with the 'un' prefix, in small type in the page footers.
As Dan suggests, including full entries for all of them would consume an
enormous amount of space to no real purpose, since the meanings are obvious.
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Rich Gibbs
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[Joe Wright]

Richard Bos wrote:

Allin Cottrell <co******@wfu.e du> wrote:

Richard Bos wrote:

Allin Cottrell <co******@wfu.e du> wrote:
Word is apparently set to approve only British English.

"Uninitiali zed" is perfectly OK American/international English.

Erm, it is a typical USAnian misapprehension that theirs is the
"internation al" version of the language. It isn't. I learned proper
English at school - the original, international kind.

I'm a Brit moi-meme, but it's only realism to recognize that the
"English" that constitutes an international language in the
21st century is primarily American English.

How do you explain, then, that I learned English, not USAnian?

Your teacher didn't like Americans? Couldn't find a book on USAnian?
Didn't appreciate a great difference (Is there a great difference)?
Perhaps the sound of it. People from Oxford sound more delightful to
the refined Dutch ear than people from New York (I agree actually)?

I am curious why you, Richard Bos of Holland, choose to deprecate
nearly all things American in favour of things English. It's not
important to me at all. I'm just curious.

Annecdotally, some of the worst English I've ever heard was in
England and some of the best in Holland.

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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

[Joe Wright]

Dan Pop wrote:

In <35************ *************** *****@4ax.com> Jack Klein <ja*******@spam cop.net> writes:

On 21 Jun 2004 12:16:43 GMT, Da*****@cern.ch (Dan Pop) wrote in
comp.lang.c :

In <0g************ *************** *****@4ax.com> Jack Klein <ja*******@spam cop.net> writes:
I would suggest using the 'z' for consistency with the spelling of the
related words that are in the standard.

Nonsense! The C standard doesn't define the English language. Use
whatever version you prefer, as long as you're consistent, i.e. you don't
spell "initialization " and "organisati on".

Dan

You are absolutely correct. If Jacob does not mind being
inconsisten t, he can use "uninitialised" . But if he uses
"initialisati on" or "initialise d" he is using terms not defined in the
standard, not by BSI, ANSI, or ISO.

6.7.8 of the current standard defines "initialization ". It does not
define "initialisation ", even if, according to you, they mean the same
thing in English.

If they mean the same thing, then the definition of one word applies to
the other.

You of all people should know that the standard says exactly what it
literally says, no more and no less.

Indeed. However, I have enough brain cells to be able to tell the
difference between semantic issues and spelling issues. It is sheer
stupidity to insist that the *only* spelling that should be used in a C
language context is the one used by the C standard.

I don't use the American spelling (I've learned English in Europe), yet
no one complained (until now ;-) about not being able to understand my
posts because my spelling doesn't match the one used by the C standard.

Your command of English is superb, no matter where you learned it.
You beat most of us at it, hands down. Now, about Romanian? :-)

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[CBFalconer]

Hamish Reid wrote:

Alan Balmer <al******@att.n et> wrote:

.... snip ...

Nobody who uses valet service, or orders a fillet of fish, is
under the illusion that they're speaking French. In fact, you'd
probably find few US citizens who could tell you anything about
"modern French" pronunciation, and even fewer who could
distinguish it from "ancient French" pronunciation.

*Every time* I (as a Briton living in the US) have asked why
herb is pronounced "erb", or fillet as "fill-eh" out here
(California), I've been told by native Californian-English
speakers it's because they're French words and should be
pronounced as such.

Nah, it's because 'erbert was a Cockney. Calais, Maine, is
pronounced to rhyme with Dallas (or Maria Callas). Note the
prevalence of C in these facts. :-)

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[Joe Wright]

Joona I Palaste wrote:

Alan Balmer <al******@att.n et> scribbled the following:

On 22 Jun 2004 17:25:19 GMT, Joona I Palaste <pa*****@cc.hel sinki.fi>
wrote:

I know it ruins a
good joke based on a brand of baked beans, but I care more about
correct pronunciation than one silly joke.

Tell us the joke?

"Heinz meanz beanz".

That's a stretch. Nobody says "Heenz". Do remember that the rule in
English is usage. The famous American composer and conducter Leonard
Bernstein pronounced his own name "Bernsteen" . Go figure.

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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
--- Albert Einstein ---

[J. J. Farrell]

Joona I Palaste <pa*****@cc.hel sinki.fi> wrote in message news:<cb******* ***@oravannahka .helsinki.fi>.. .

Alan Balmer <al******@att.n et> scribbled the following:

On 22 Jun 2004 17:25:19 GMT, Joona I Palaste <pa*****@cc.hel sinki.fi>
wrote:

I know it ruins a
good joke based on a brand of baked beans, but I care more about
correct pronunciation than one silly joke.

Tell us the joke?

"Heinz meanz beanz".

Now I'm totally confused. In Britain, that would be said as "Hines
means beans" - and was sung that way as an advertising jingle. Isn't
that more or less the correct pronunciation of the vowels if we treat
"Heinz" as a German word? I think Heinz is an American company - are
you saying that the correct American pronunciation is "Heans"?

[CBFalconer]

Rich Gibbs wrote:

.... snip ...
Having lived and worked in Britain for a number of years, I have
to say that I was also amused by the insistence of Britons (even
the BBC presenters, who should have known better) on pronouncing
the name of the large city in eastern Missouri, on the Mississippi
River, as "St. Louie". Anyone who lives there will tell you the
name of the place is pronounced "Saint Lewis". :-) I will not

.... snip ...

I think you will find that is a relatively recent affectation. I
recall a musical, circa 1945, (I think it was 'State Fair') where
some of the principle songs were 'The Trolley Song' and 'Meet me
in St Louis, Louie'. From which I conclude that the Lewis
prononciation was not in effect, or at least not universal, then.

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[Rich Gibbs]

CBFalconer said the following, on 06/22/04 23:21:

Rich Gibbs wrote:

.... snip ...

Having lived and worked in Britain for a number of years, I have
to say that I was also amused by the insistence of Britons (even
the BBC presenters, who should have known better) on pronouncing
the name of the large city in eastern Missouri, on the Mississippi
River, as "St. Louie". Anyone who lives there will tell you the
name of the place is pronounced "Saint Lewis". :-) I will not

.... snip ...

I think you will find that is a relatively recent affectation. I
recall a musical, circa 1945, (I think it was 'State Fair') where
some of the principle songs were 'The Trolley Song' and 'Meet me
in St Louis, Louie'. From which I conclude that the Lewis
prononciation was not in effect, or at least not universal, then.

I do remember "State Fair", too -- but the pronunciation in the songs
was made, I think, for humorous effect. I was actually born in
Missouri, and one side of the family has lived in the St. Louis area for
~150 years, so I feel reasonably confident that the Saint Lewis
pronunciation goes back for a fair while, at least as these things are
reckoned in the US. ;-)

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