Hi!
I'm new to using sourcesafe. In fact I've never used it. We are 2 persons
developing one windows application on 2 different computers. You can for
sure understand our challenges, when we trie to merge this to versions to
one. For this I'm considering to install VSS on our server.
The installation part of VSS I think I understand, but how do I configure it
and how is the best progression of using it? (also with debugging in mind).
regards
Hans
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Hans [DiaGraphIT] <Ha************ @discussions.mi crosoft.com> wrote: I'm new to using sourcesafe. In fact I've never used it. We are 2 persons
developing one windows application on 2 different computers. You can for
sure understand our challenges, when we trie to merge this to versions to
one. For this I'm considering to install VSS on our server.
The installation part of VSS I think I understand, but how do I configure it
and how is the best progression of using it? (also with debugging in mind).
The best advice I could give is not to use it. I've found VSS nothing
but a nightmare to use - we'd have switched from it ages ago if we
didn't have it all set up already, with lots of file history.
See http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/w...ourcesafe.html for
plenty of reasons to avoid VSS.
There are lots of other source control systems which are rather better
supported and don't lose data quite as often. Subversion
( http://subversion.tigris.org/) has just released v1.1, I believe - or
there's always CVS ( http://www.cvshome.org), StarTeam etc.
Some of these may not be as well integrated into VS.NET, but there are
times when IDE integration is more of a curse than a blessing...
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Thank you for quick reply!
I wounder if ClearCase is a better alternative?
--- < Hans > ---
"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" wrote: Hans [DiaGraphIT] <Ha************ @discussions.mi crosoft.com> wrote: I'm new to using sourcesafe. In fact I've never used it. We are 2 persons
developing one windows application on 2 different computers. You can for
sure understand our challenges, when we trie to merge this to versions to
one. For this I'm considering to install VSS on our server.
The installation part of VSS I think I understand, but how do I configure it
and how is the best progression of using it? (also with debugging in mind).
The best advice I could give is not to use it. I've found VSS nothing
but a nightmare to use - we'd have switched from it ages ago if we
didn't have it all set up already, with lots of file history.
See http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/w...ourcesafe.html for
plenty of reasons to avoid VSS.
There are lots of other source control systems which are rather better
supported and don't lose data quite as often. Subversion
(http://subversion.tigris.org/) has just released v1.1, I believe - or
there's always CVS (http://www.cvshome.org), StarTeam etc.
Some of these may not be as well integrated into VS.NET, but there are
times when IDE integration is more of a curse than a blessing...
--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:30:58 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote: See http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/w...ourcesafe.html for
plenty of reasons to avoid VSS.
Interesting. I've heard people say that VSS is bad but I didn't realise it
was *that* bad.
Microsoft make me wonder. They have enough resources to make some great
products, and sometimes they do, but all too often they make some real
blunders (VSS, OE, IE, some parts of Windows, etc.).
Hans [DiaGraphIT] schrieb: I wounder if ClearCase is a better alternative?
I thought you were 2 not 200?
ClearCase is a little bit too much for your current effort, I think.
Take a look at CVS or Subversion (which would be my choice). It's
stable, fast, powerful and free.
Christian
Hans [DiaGraphIT] <Ha************ @discussions.mi crosoft.com> wrote: Thank you for quick reply!
I wounder if ClearCase is a better alternative?
Almost certainly, although I don't have any experience with it. Any
reason for not going with a free solution though?
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C# Learner <cs****@learner .here> wrote: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:30:58 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:
See http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/w...ourcesafe.html for
plenty of reasons to avoid VSS.
Interesting. I've heard people say that VSS is bad but I didn't realise it
was *that* bad.
Microsoft make me wonder. They have enough resources to make some great
products, and sometimes they do, but all too often they make some real
blunders (VSS, OE, IE, some parts of Windows, etc.).
Indeed. I've heard rumours about a new SourceSafe coming with VS.NET
2005, but I don't know if they're true. I would *hope* that any such
new system would move away from VSS entirely and just provide an
upgrade path.
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Tom Porterfield <tp******@mvps. org> wrote: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote: Indeed. I've heard rumours about a new SourceSafe coming with VS.NET
2005, but I don't know if they're true. I would *hope* that any such
new system would move away from VSS entirely and just provide an
upgrade path.
More than rumors, no? A little of both.
I couldn't remember which bits I'd seen under NDA and which I hadn't,
but I knew there had been some rumours which were public :)
What's New: Visual SourceSafe for Visual Studio
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/library/8c69bh9d.aspx
Microsoft Visual SourceSafe Roadmap
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...tml/vssmap.asp
Oh dear - it keeps the file sharing architecture :(
And if the team is a larger team:
Visual Studio 2005 Team System for Team Development
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005...m/default.aspx
Visual Studio 2005 Team System: Enterprise-Class Source Control and Work
Item Tracking
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en.../vsts-team.asp
These sound promising, although I didn't see much in the way of details
as to how the source control system works, or whether it provides an
upgrade path from VSS. We can but hope...
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"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" <sk***@pobox.co m> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@msnews.micros oft.com... Tom Porterfield <tp******@mvps. org> wrote: Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:
What's New: Visual SourceSafe for Visual Studio
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/library/8c69bh9d.aspx
Microsoft Visual SourceSafe Roadmap
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...tml/vssmap.asp
Oh dear - it keeps the file sharing architecture :(
VSS is for small teams, like the Original Poster. In that case, it's
simplicity and ease of use are compelling. In repeated surveys of
developers who chose VSS over the competition, the overwheming majority of
them gave usability reasons. I know that there are problems with VSS. One
of my projects involves a dev team on another continent, and for that team,
we are not using VSS... and sometimes the integration is a little rough
around the edges... but I still think VSS is a good tool for small teams,
and the new bits will make it better. And if the team is a larger team:
Visual Studio 2005 Team System for Team Development
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005...m/default.aspx
Visual Studio 2005 Team System: Enterprise-Class Source Control and Work
Item Tracking
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en.../vsts-team.asp
These sound promising, although I didn't see much in the way of details
as to how the source control system works, or whether it provides an
upgrade path from VSS. We can but hope...
I, too, am under NDA. Let's just say that I expect that you will really
like what you see.
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