DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and
values passed back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can
someone confirm this to be correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it
back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with hidden
fields etc. If this is true, then I would like to understand the reason
behind the design decision and if this has been addressed in VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
10  3451 
Hello, Mr. Newbie.
re: The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it back to the
server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with hidden fields
JavaScript runs client-side and forms run server-side.
You need to pass the values to the server from your javascript,
which is running where the server will never see it.
re: If this is true, then I would like to understand the reason behind the design decision
and if this has been addressed in VS2005 ?
..
The reason is "by design", per the explanation above.
What I wonder is why you are still sticking to Request.Form,
instead of using the .NET native Request.Params, which returns
a combined collection of QueryString, Form, ServerVariables , and Cookies.
Request.Params works the same way in ASP.NET 1.x, 2.0 and WinFx :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...aramstopic.asp
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dt24b615
http://winfx.msdn.microsoft.com/libr...est_Params.asp
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and values passed
back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can someone confirm this to be
correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it back to the
server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with hidden fields etc. If this is
true, then I would like to understand the reason behind the design decision and if this
has been addressed in VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
This isn't an ASP.Net issue, it's how HTML and HTTP work. For list
controls, such as <input type="radio/checkbox" and <select> only the
SELECTED value is passed in the Request.Form. This is how the first form
worked in HTML 1.0 and how it works now.
ViewState tries to resolve this problem by taking all the values before the
page is rendered and serializing said values to a hidden field, which can
then be used to recreate the controls on postback. If you have a listbox
with 10 items, then those 10 items will be serialized to a hidden field. if
you dynamically add an 11th item using javascript to the control, the value
still won't be added to the hidden field and thus won't appear during
postback. This is neither a bug nor a limitation of ASP.Net.
You need to do some hidden field trick. It's often easier to copy the
selected value to a hidden field (assuming you need to know what the
selected value was) and then select all the values in the
Select/radio/checkbox It results in less code...
Karl
--
MY ASP.Net tutorials http://www.openmymind.net/
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and
values passed back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can
someone confirm this to be correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it
back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields etc. If this is true, then I would like to understand the
reason behind the design decision and if this has been addressed in VS2005
?
Cheers - Mr N
I dont think you have understood me, perhaps I did not make myself clear.
I am well aware that Javascript runs client side and web forms run server
side. The question is regarding ListBox and DropDown boxes. Why does ASP.NET
not preserve the 'STATE' of those controls ?
The point being is that controls such as TextBox's and Buttons etc have
their state preserved by using the Viewstate. For example if I add client
side a charavter to a textbox, ASP.NET will update the viewstate and whent
the form is posted back to the client. That change is reflected. However,
with ListBox and DropDown, this is not the case ( Apparently ) , the
question is why ?
This is not really anything to do with Javascript other than this is how I
would add items client side if I wanted to.
Does this make my question clearer ?
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OH******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl... Hello, Mr. Newbie.
re: The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it
back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields
JavaScript runs client-side and forms run server-side.
You need to pass the values to the server from your javascript,
which is running where the server will never see it.
re: If this is true, then I would like to understand the reason behind the
design decision and if this has been addressed in VS2005 ?
.
The reason is "by design", per the explanation above.
What I wonder is why you are still sticking to Request.Form,
instead of using the .NET native Request.Params, which returns
a combined collection of QueryString, Form, ServerVariables , and Cookies.
Request.Params works the same way in ASP.NET 1.x, 2.0 and WinFx :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...aramstopic.asp
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dt24b615
http://winfx.msdn.microsoft.com/libr...est_Params.asp
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and
values passed back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can
someone confirm this to be correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it
back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields etc. If this is true, then I would like to understand the
reason behind the design decision and if this has been addressed in
VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
> This isn't an ASP.Net issue, it's how HTML and HTTP work. For list controls, such as <input type="radio/checkbox" and <select> only the
SELECTED value is passed in the Request.Form. This is how the first form
worked in HTML 1.0 and how it works now.
I tried selecting a value which was added using Javascript, but this did
not get passed back either. So are you saying then that only the selected
value or values are passed back if the values were generated by asp.net ?
"Karl Seguin" <karl REMOVE @ REMOVE openmymind REMOVEMETOO . ANDME net>
wrote in message news:eY******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP15.phx.gbl.. .
ViewState tries to resolve this problem by taking all the values before
the page is rendered and serializing said values to a hidden field, which
can then be used to recreate the controls on postback. If you have a
listbox with 10 items, then those 10 items will be serialized to a hidden
field. if you dynamically add an 11th item using javascript to the
control, the value still won't be added to the hidden field and thus won't
appear during postback. This is neither a bug nor a limitation of
ASP.Net.
You need to do some hidden field trick. It's often easier to copy the
selected value to a hidden field (assuming you need to know what the
selected value was) and then select all the values in the
Select/radio/checkbox It results in less code...
Karl
--
MY ASP.Net tutorials
http://www.openmymind.net/
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and
values passed back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can
someone confirm this to be correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it
back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields etc. If this is true, then I would like to understand the
reason behind the design decision and if this has been addressed in
VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
Just to clarify in addition to my post...TextBoxe s don't work like you think
they do with ViewState. The value of a textbox isn't preserved via
ViewState. Since there's only 1 value and HTML specifications say that the
value has to be passed via REquest.Form, it would be foolish for ASP.Net to
also maintain it in ViewState (waste of space).
ViewState is used where/when Request.Form can't. Namely for controls that
don't participate in the form submission (datagrid for example) as well as
controls who only partially participate in form submission (only the
selected radio input gets passed).
Karl
--
MY ASP.Net tutorials http://www.openmymind.net/
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:ur******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P12.phx.gbl... I dont think you have understood me, perhaps I did not make myself clear.
I am well aware that Javascript runs client side and web forms run server
side. The question is regarding ListBox and DropDown boxes. Why does
ASP.NET not preserve the 'STATE' of those controls ?
The point being is that controls such as TextBox's and Buttons etc have
their state preserved by using the Viewstate. For example if I add client
side a charavter to a textbox, ASP.NET will update the viewstate and whent
the form is posted back to the client. That change is reflected. However,
with ListBox and DropDown, this is not the case ( Apparently ) , the
question is why ?
This is not really anything to do with Javascript other than this is how I
would add items client side if I wanted to.
Does this make my question clearer ?
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OH******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl... Hello, Mr. Newbie.
re: The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make
it back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields
JavaScript runs client-side and forms run server-side.
You need to pass the values to the server from your javascript,
which is running where the server will never see it.
re: If this is true, then I would like to understand the reason behind the
design decision and if this has been addressed in VS2005 ?
.
The reason is "by design", per the explanation above.
What I wonder is why you are still sticking to Request.Form,
instead of using the .NET native Request.Params, which returns
a combined collection of QueryString, Form, ServerVariables , and Cookies.
Request.Params works the same way in ASP.NET 1.x, 2.0 and WinFx :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...aramstopic.asp
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dt24b615
http://winfx.msdn.microsoft.com/libr...est_Params.asp
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and
values passed back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can
someone confirm this to be correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make
it back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields etc. If this is true, then I would like to understand the
reason behind the design decision and if this has been addressed in
VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
OK, that makes sense I suppose. Presumably though viewstate is used with
textboxes to determine and fire the text changed event by comparing the text
before and that which is preserved in viewstate, or do I have that wrong as
well.
I dont seem to be doing very well today!
Cheers Mr N Just to clarify in addition to my post...TextBoxe s don't work like you
think they do with ViewState. The value of a textbox isn't preserved via
ViewState. Since there's only 1 value and HTML specifications say that
the value has to be passed via REquest.Form, it would be foolish for
ASP.Net to also maintain it in ViewState (waste of space).
ViewState is used where/when Request.Form can't. Namely for controls that
don't participate in the form submission (datagrid for example) as well as
controls who only partially participate in form submission (only the
selected radio input gets passed).
See Karl's answer for specific recommendations .
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message news:ur******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P12.phx.gbl... I dont think you have understood me, perhaps I did not make myself clear.
I am well aware that Javascript runs client side and web forms run server side. The
question is regarding ListBox and DropDown boxes. Why does ASP.NET not preserve the
'STATE' of those controls ?
The point being is that controls such as TextBox's and Buttons etc have their state
preserved by using the Viewstate. For example if I add client side a charavter to a
textbox, ASP.NET will update the viewstate and whent the form is posted back to the
client. That change is reflected. However, with ListBox and DropDown, this is not the
case ( Apparently ) , the question is why ?
This is not really anything to do with Javascript other than this is how I would add
items client side if I wanted to.
Does this make my question clearer ?
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OH******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl... Hello, Mr. Newbie.
re: The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it back to the
server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with hidden fields
JavaScript runs client-side and forms run server-side.
You need to pass the values to the server from your javascript,
which is running where the server will never see it.
re: If this is true, then I would like to understand the reason behind the design decision
and if this has been addressed in VS2005 ?
.
The reason is "by design", per the explanation above.
What I wonder is why you are still sticking to Request.Form,
instead of using the .NET native Request.Params, which returns
a combined collection of QueryString, Form, ServerVariables , and Cookies.
Request.Params works the same way in ASP.NET 1.x, 2.0 and WinFx :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...aramstopic.asp
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dt24b615
http://winfx.msdn.microsoft.com/libr...est_Params.asp
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
=============== =============== ========
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and values passed
back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can someone confirm this to be
correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make it back to the
server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with hidden fields etc. If this
is true, then I would like to understand the reason behind the design decision and if
this has been addressed in VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
No, I think you are right about that part :) i could look into it, but
let's say you are...can't think of how else it would do it ...nice catch!
Karl
--
MY ASP.Net tutorials http://www.openmymind.net/
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP14.phx.gbl... OK, that makes sense I suppose. Presumably though viewstate is used with
textboxes to determine and fire the text changed event by comparing the
text before and that which is preserved in viewstate, or do I have that
wrong as well.
I dont seem to be doing very well today!
Cheers Mr N
Just to clarify in addition to my post...TextBoxe s don't work like you
think they do with ViewState. The value of a textbox isn't preserved via
ViewState. Since there's only 1 value and HTML specifications say that
the value has to be passed via REquest.Form, it would be foolish for
ASP.Net to also maintain it in ViewState (waste of space).
ViewState is used where/when Request.Form can't. Namely for controls
that don't participate in the form submission (datagrid for example) as
well as controls who only partially participate in form submission (only
the selected radio input gets passed).
No, you should be seeing the value in Request.Form
Request.Form is totally independant of ViewState or server-side this or
client-side that...it's much more basic than all of that. Whatever value is
selected, however it got there, should show up. The only thing I can think
of, without seeing code, is that ASP.Net does generate unique clientId's so
if you have
<asp:dropdownli st id="SomeId" runat="server" />
it might get rendered as
<select name="clt0:Some Id" > ... </select>
Form submission works on Name not Id, so I only showed the Name.
Anyways, you might be doing Request.Form["SomeId"] when really you should
be doing Request.Form[someId.ClientId] but that'll only happen when your
controls are nested.
Two things you can do. Turn tracing on in the page <%@ Page trace="True"
.... %> and look at the output, or debug, add a breakpoint in Page_Load and
Add a Watch to REquest.Form
karl
--
MY ASP.Net tutorials http://www.openmymind.net/
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:ec******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP14.phx.gbl... This isn't an ASP.Net issue, it's how HTML and HTTP work. For list
controls, such as <input type="radio/checkbox" and <select> only the
SELECTED value is passed in the Request.Form. This is how the first form
worked in HTML 1.0 and how it works now.
I tried selecting a value which was added using Javascript, but this did
not get passed back either. So are you saying then that only the selected
value or values are passed back if the values were generated by asp.net ?
"Karl Seguin" <karl REMOVE @ REMOVE openmymind REMOVEMETOO . ANDME net>
wrote in message news:eY******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP15.phx.gbl.. .
ViewState tries to resolve this problem by taking all the values before
the page is rendered and serializing said values to a hidden field, which
can then be used to recreate the controls on postback. If you have a
listbox with 10 items, then those 10 items will be serialized to a hidden
field. if you dynamically add an 11th item using javascript to the
control, the value still won't be added to the hidden field and thus
won't appear during postback. This is neither a bug nor a limitation of
ASP.Net.
You need to do some hidden field trick. It's often easier to copy the
selected value to a hidden field (assuming you need to know what the
selected value was) and then select all the values in the
Select/radio/checkbox It results in less code...
Karl
--
MY ASP.Net tutorials
http://www.openmymind.net/
"Mr Newbie" <he**@now.com > wrote in message
news:OH******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P15.phx.gbl... DropDown lists and Listboxes do not appear in the list of controls and
values passed back to the server on PostBack in Request.Form object. Can
someone confirm this to be correct and possibly answer why ?
The impact of this is that values added via javascript will never make
it back to the server side code unless one does some jiggery pokery with
hidden fields etc. If this is true, then I would like to understand the
reason behind the design decision and if this has been addressed in
VS2005 ?
Cheers - Mr N
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