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Hi,

I'm interested in your opinion concerning how far you would consider it
necessary to code for cross-browser compatibility these days, especially for
public-facing Internet sites...

According to a recent survey
(http://www.weboptimiser.com/search_e.../3061148.html),
Internet Explorer has just under 95% of the browser marketplace. Do you
think it's worth the additional aggravation of making things work in
Netscape, Firefox, AOL, Opera etc just to cater for this additional 5%? It's
the "poke-for-pound" argument...

Very interested to hear what you think...

Mark
Nov 18 '05 #1
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Mark,
I came across this issue just last week when developing a public facing
site. The project manager on the project was a Mac user, and the site looked
horrible on his Mac. He bitched and moaned about it until no end. But like
you said, I don't think it's worth the effort to spend a crazy amount of
time trying to make the site cross-browser compatible.

I don't use any fancy stuff on the HTML side of my sites, it's all CSS. On
particularly annoying thing I came across was this. Consider this snippet

<tr class="somecssc lass">
<td><td>
</tr>

In IE, the <td> automatically inherits the style from the <tr>

However, Opera, for example wanted the class applied to every <td> in the
<tr>.

In my opinion, that ridiculous.

Small annoyances like this get under my skin! It's not like I'm using
GridLayout and expecting it to work flawlessly on every browser!

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ev******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I'm interested in your opinion concerning how far you would consider it
necessary to code for cross-browser compatibility these days, especially for public-facing Internet sites...

According to a recent survey
(http://www.weboptimiser.com/search_e.../3061148.html),
Internet Explorer has just under 95% of the browser marketplace. Do you
think it's worth the additional aggravation of making things work in
Netscape, Firefox, AOL, Opera etc just to cater for this additional 5%? It's the "poke-for-pound" argument...

Very interested to hear what you think...

Mark

Nov 18 '05 #2
5% of the hundreds of millions Internet users is still a lot of users! It
completely depends on if you are building for the Internet or an intranet.
If it is the Internet, the cross-browser support is still considered a must
by any pro.
"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ev******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I'm interested in your opinion concerning how far you would consider it
necessary to code for cross-browser compatibility these days, especially
for
public-facing Internet sites...

According to a recent survey
(http://www.weboptimiser.com/search_e.../3061148.html),
Internet Explorer has just under 95% of the browser marketplace. Do you
think it's worth the additional aggravation of making things work in
Netscape, Firefox, AOL, Opera etc just to cater for this additional 5%?
It's
the "poke-for-pound" argument...

Very interested to hear what you think...

Mark

Nov 18 '05 #3
I do not think it is economically viable and stick with the devil I know.
I believe the court cases have been the reason that IE development
has become stagnant. Now that the court cases appear to be resolved
Microsoft will pull a rabbit out of the hat which we all know has been
long overdue.

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Architectural & e-Business Consulting -- Software Development
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URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ev******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I'm interested in your opinion concerning how far you would consider it
necessary to code for cross-browser compatibility these days, especially for public-facing Internet sites...

According to a recent survey
(http://www.weboptimiser.com/search_e.../3061148.html),
Internet Explorer has just under 95% of the browser marketplace. Do you
think it's worth the additional aggravation of making things work in
Netscape, Firefox, AOL, Opera etc just to cater for this additional 5%? It's the "poke-for-pound" argument...

Very interested to hear what you think...

Mark

Nov 18 '05 #4
"George Durzi" <gd****@hotmail .com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP11.phx.gbl. ..
Small annoyances like this get under my skin! It's not like I'm using
GridLayout and expecting it to work flawlessly on every browser!


LOL!

For a while now, I've been costing cross-browser compatibility as a separate
item when preparing a quote for a new piece of work.

The basic cost is IE5.5 and above for Windows any additional browser /
hardware platform combination incurs an additional 20% cost.

Not a single client has ever chosen the cross-browser option(s)...
Nov 18 '05 #5
That's why a lot of people end up going with Flash or something like that
instead of dealing with cross browser development.

"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote in message
news:uh******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl...
5% of the hundreds of millions Internet users is still a lot of users! It
completely depends on if you are building for the Internet or an intranet.
If it is the Internet, the cross-browser support is still considered a must by any pro.
"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ev******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I'm interested in your opinion concerning how far you would consider it
necessary to code for cross-browser compatibility these days, especially
for
public-facing Internet sites...

According to a recent survey
(http://www.weboptimiser.com/search_e.../3061148.html),
Internet Explorer has just under 95% of the browser marketplace. Do you
think it's worth the additional aggravation of making things work in
Netscape, Firefox, AOL, Opera etc just to cater for this additional 5%?
It's
the "poke-for-pound" argument...

Very interested to hear what you think...

Mark


Nov 18 '05 #6
"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote in message
news:uh******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl...
5% of the hundreds of millions Internet users is still a lot of users! It
completely depends on if you are building for the Internet or an intranet.
If it is the Internet, the cross-browser support is still considered a must by any pro.


If you're writing a desktop application, do you also write a Mac version,
UNIX version, OS/2 version...?
Nov 18 '05 #7
They would be completely separate versions most likely developed using
different tools.

"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eY******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...
"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote in message
news:uh******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl...
5% of the hundreds of millions Internet users is still a lot of users! It completely depends on if you are building for the Internet or an intranet. If it is the Internet, the cross-browser support is still considered a

must
by any pro.


If you're writing a desktop application, do you also write a Mac version,
UNIX version, OS/2 version...?

Nov 18 '05 #8
Step one is to identify the target audience for the application.

If the target is the Internet, then cross-browser compatibility is a must.
If the target is an intranet, then the corporate browser standard is
targeted.
If it is a desktop application (as you ask about) then we need to determine
which OS we're targeting.
"Mark Rae" <ma**@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eY******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...
"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote in message
news:uh******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl...
5% of the hundreds of millions Internet users is still a lot of users!
It
completely depends on if you are building for the Internet or an
intranet.
If it is the Internet, the cross-browser support is still considered a

must
by any pro.


If you're writing a desktop application, do you also write a Mac version,
UNIX version, OS/2 version...?

Nov 18 '05 #9
"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote in message
news:eM******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
If the target is the Internet, then cross-browser compatibility is a must.
Why? There's no law that says this - if a car manufacturer produces a car
which runs on petrol, they don't *have* to produce a diesel version...
If it is a desktop application (as you ask about) then we need to determine which OS we're targeting.


Why aren't you targeting them all, in the same way that you're targeting all
browser makes and models...?
Nov 18 '05 #10

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