ASP.NET and XHTML

How is it that Microsoft sits on the w3c, participates in XHTML
standardization and then completely misses the ball with asp.net?

Does Microsoft have any plans/announcements/concern whatsover with making
asp.net generate valid XHTML? It seems like these changes would be fairly
trivial for them, much easier than it would be for me to write a filter
and/or override the necessary classes.

~PJ

Nov 17 '05 #1

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John Saunders

"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:O6******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...

How is it that Microsoft sits on the w3c, participates in XHTML
standardization and then completely misses the ball with asp.net?

Does Microsoft have any plans/announcements/concern whatsover with making
asp.net generate valid XHTML? It seems like these changes would be fairly
trivial for them, much easier than it would be for me to write a filter
and/or override the necessary classes.

When did the XHTML become final?
--
John Saunders
Internet Engineer
jo***********@s urfcontrol.com

Nov 17 '05 #2

Alvin Bruney

And you are worried that microsoft has dropped the ball on XHTML because...?

"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:O6******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...

How is it that Microsoft sits on the w3c, participates in XHTML
standardization and then completely misses the ball with asp.net?

Does Microsoft have any plans/announcements/concern whatsover with making
asp.net generate valid XHTML? It seems like these changes would be fairly
trivial for them, much easier than it would be for me to write a filter
and/or override the necessary classes.

~PJ

Nov 17 '05 #3

Visit http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html and try to validate the
markup from any one of your asp.net pages to xhtml 1.0 ( strict or
transitional ). Matter in fact, I bet you'd have a very tough time even
getting one to validate properly to HTML 4.01 Strict.

Do I need to enumerate shortcomings for you? Apparently so. Please educate
yourself before asking such questions.

- Hidden inputs are not valid as a direct child of a form tag. They must be
contained w/in another containing element (div, span, etc).
- <script> tags must contain a type attribute ( type="text/javascript").
The <script> tags that asp.net generates do not contain this attribute.
- id attributes on elements cannot begin with underscores ( as in
__EVENTTARGET, __EVENTARGUMENT , __VIEWSTATE ).
- name is not a valid attribute ( as in the name attribute written to the
main form. this also invalidates the non DOM javascript that asp.net
generates.
- script must be contained w/ in a CDATA section
- <img runat="server" tags will automatically add a "border" attribute which
is not valid.
- ...

It's much more difficult for me as a developer to difficult for me as a
developer to write a filter to make all the necessary changes to the output,
input then it is for MS to simply modify the asp.net engine to render valid
markup for the developers chosen schema.

"Alvin Bruney" <vapordan_spam_ me_not@hotmail_ no_spamhotmail. com> wrote in
message news:um******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

And you are worried that microsoft has dropped the ball on XHTML because...?

Nov 17 '05 #4

I don't understand how people can make a job of writing web applications and
not visit the w3c site regurlarly.
http://www.w3c.org/MarkUp/
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/

XHTML 1.0 (strict, transitional), 1.1(strict) has been complete for years.
The next standard in the works is XHTML 2.0.

bookmark www.webstandards.org

When did the XHTML become final?
--
John Saunders
Internet Engineer
jo***********@s urfcontrol.com

Nov 17 '05 #5

Alvin Bruney

well with that kind of nasty attitude while looking for help, you won't get
any from me
"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:uG******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

Visit http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html and try to validate the
markup from any one of your asp.net pages to xhtml 1.0 ( strict or
transitional ). Matter in fact, I bet you'd have a very tough time even
getting one to validate properly to HTML 4.01 Strict.

Do I need to enumerate shortcomings for you? Apparently so. Please educate yourself before asking such questions.

- Hidden inputs are not valid as a direct child of a form tag. They must be contained w/in another containing element (div, span, etc).
- <script> tags must contain a type attribute ( type="text/javascript").
The <script> tags that asp.net generates do not contain this attribute.
- id attributes on elements cannot begin with underscores ( as in
__EVENTTARGET, __EVENTARGUMENT , __VIEWSTATE ).
- name is not a valid attribute ( as in the name attribute written to the
main form. this also invalidates the non DOM javascript that asp.net
generates.
- script must be contained w/ in a CDATA section
- <img runat="server" tags will automatically add a "border" attribute which is not valid.
- ...

It's much more difficult for me as a developer to difficult for me as a
developer to write a filter to make all the necessary changes to the output, input then it is for MS to simply modify the asp.net engine to render valid markup for the developers chosen schema.

"Alvin Bruney" <vapordan_spam_ me_not@hotmail_ no_spamhotmail. com> wrote in
message news:um******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
And you are worried that microsoft has dropped the ball on XHTML

because...?

Nov 17 '05 #6

I apologize...I'm just a bit frustrated at the lack of concern over this.
Greater concern toward standards within the development community would only
make our lives easier in the long run.

"Alvin Bruney" <vapordan_spam_ me_not@hotmail_ no_spamhotmail. com> wrote in
message news:eX******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

well with that kind of nasty attitude while looking for help, you won't get any from me
"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:uG******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Visit http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html and try to validate the
markup from any one of your asp.net pages to xhtml 1.0 ( strict or
transitional ). Matter in fact, I bet you'd have a very tough time even
getting one to validate properly to HTML 4.01 Strict.

Do I need to enumerate shortcomings for you? Apparently so. Please educate
yourself before asking such questions.

- Hidden inputs are not valid as a direct child of a form tag. They must be
contained w/in another containing element (div, span, etc).
- <script> tags must contain a type attribute ( type="text/javascript").
The <script> tags that asp.net generates do not contain this attribute.
- id attributes on elements cannot begin with underscores ( as in
__EVENTTARGET, __EVENTARGUMENT , __VIEWSTATE ).
- name is not a valid attribute ( as in the name attribute written to

the main form. this also invalidates the non DOM javascript that asp.net
generates.
- script must be contained w/ in a CDATA section
- <img runat="server" tags will automatically add a "border" attribute

which
is not valid.
- ...

It's much more difficult for me as a developer to difficult for me as a
developer to write a filter to make all the necessary changes to the

output,
input then it is for MS to simply modify the asp.net engine to render

valid
markup for the developers chosen schema.

"Alvin Bruney" <vapordan_spam_ me_not@hotmail_ no_spamhotmail. com> wrote in message news:um******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
And you are worried that microsoft has dropped the ball on XHTML

because...?

Nov 17 '05 #7

Jerry III

Not really. As much as I'd like to see Microsoft to adhere to standards and
then extend them (but not extend without supporting first) I don't think it
would make our lives any easier. Standards change, sometimes considerably,
breaking "code" between different versions, and in the case of HTML/XHTML
there is not a single browser that supports W3C's standards (even Mozilla is
not supporting such basics as aligning columns in tables, try to create a
price list with that piece of HTML not supported). Nobody cares about fully
supporting standards, even if Microsoft did you would still have to cater to
users of products that don't. I would not change a thing.

Jerry

"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:eT******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

I apologize...I'm just a bit frustrated at the lack of concern over this.
Greater concern toward standards within the development community would only make our lives easier in the long run.

"Alvin Bruney" <vapordan_spam_ me_not@hotmail_ no_spamhotmail. com> wrote in
message news:eX******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
well with that kind of nasty attitude while looking for help, you won't

get
any from me
"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:uG******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Visit http://validator.w3.org/file-upload.html and try to validate the
markup from any one of your asp.net pages to xhtml 1.0 ( strict or
transitional ). Matter in fact, I bet you'd have a very tough time even getting one to validate properly to HTML 4.01 Strict.

Do I need to enumerate shortcomings for you? Apparently so. Please

educate
yourself before asking such questions.

- Hidden inputs are not valid as a direct child of a form tag. They must
be
contained w/in another containing element (div, span, etc).
- <script> tags must contain a type attribute ( type="text/javascript"). The <script> tags that asp.net generates do not contain this attribute. - id attributes on elements cannot begin with underscores ( as in
__EVENTTARGET, __EVENTARGUMENT , __VIEWSTATE ).
- name is not a valid attribute ( as in the name attribute written to

the main form. this also invalidates the non DOM javascript that asp.net
generates.
- script must be contained w/ in a CDATA section
- <img runat="server" tags will automatically add a "border" attribute

which
is not valid.
- ...

It's much more difficult for me as a developer to difficult for me as a developer to write a filter to make all the necessary changes to the

output,
input then it is for MS to simply modify the asp.net engine to render

valid
markup for the developers chosen schema.

"Alvin Bruney" <vapordan_spam_ me_not@hotmail_ no_spamhotmail. com> wrote in message news:um******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> And you are worried that microsoft has dropped the ball on XHTML
because...?
>

Nov 17 '05 #8

John Saunders

"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:eT******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

I apologize...I'm just a bit frustrated at the lack of concern over this.
Greater concern toward standards within the development community would only make our lives easier in the long run.

Most of us are more interested in getting the job done than in whining over
standards compliance.

Also, some of us have a clue at the lead time involved in developing a
product like ASP.NET. My question "when was the XHTML standard finished" was
really, "was the XHTML standard finished and stable to a useful degree early
enough for Microsoft to provide adherence to this standard in the ASP.NET
1.0 timeframe?" I'm willing to bet that the answer is "no".

Bitch about it if XHTML support isn't in ASP.NET 2.0.
--
John Saunders
Internet Engineer
jo***********@s urfcontrol.com

Nov 17 '05 #9

John Saunders

"PJ" <pj***@hotmail. com> wrote in message
news:eT******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

I apologize...I'm just a bit frustrated at the lack of concern over this.
Greater concern toward standards within the development community would only make our lives easier in the long run.

Nov 17 '05 #10

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