How can I check that the form is not posted from a local html page

[TT]

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[Evertjan.]

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
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please elaborate.

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[TT]

1) Assume I have an asp page (insertRecord.a sp) on my server, the page simply
do somthing if request.form("F ormAction")="sa ve", then insert a record in db.
2) I create a html page locally saved in my own hard disk and the page
contains the tag <FORM name="LocalPage "
action="https://server/insertRecord.as p" method="post">, then I SUBIMT it to
the server's insertRecord.as p.
3) The result: It works!!!

Question:
How can I prevent this case?
The Problem is that user can edit the html page which located in his hard
disk and then submit it to my asp on the server.
Any server variable or other means can check and prevent the user to do this?

Thank you very much.
"Evertjan." wrote:

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
microsoft.publi c.inetserver.as p.general:

As title

please elaborate.

--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[Evertjan.]

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
microsoft.publi c.inetserver.as p.general:

1) Assume I have an asp page (insertRecord.a sp) on my server, the page
simply do somthing if request.form("F ormAction")="sa ve", then insert a
record in db. 2) I create a html page locally saved in my own hard
disk and the page contains the tag <FORM name="LocalPage "
action="https://server/insertRecord.as p" method="post">, then I SUBIMT
it to the server's insertRecord.as p.
3) The result: It works!!!

Question:
How can I prevent this case?
The Problem is that user can edit the html page which located in his
hard disk and then submit it to my asp on the server.
Any server variable or other means can check and prevent the user to
do this?

<%
If request.serverv ariables("remot e_addr") = "127.0.0.1" Then 'for localhost
%>

or your factual lan ip if you are accessing this page outside your
localhost "192.168.1. 7" or so. Or you can detect a range.

--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[TT]

Dear Evertjan
Thanks for your reply.

What I want to do is:
- "PREVENT the user who edit the html page which is the response of my asp".
After editing from his local version and then submit to my server's asp. As a
result, he can overcome some logic or hidden value in my previously responsed
html page.

e.g. The responsed html page has a hidden value (record id) in the html
page. The user save the html page to local, then modify the hidden id and
submit it again. As a result, he may be able to update another record (which
he is suppose not be able to view or edit)

Please advise.
Thanks.
"Evertjan." wrote:

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
microsoft.publi c.inetserver.as p.general:

1) Assume I have an asp page (insertRecord.a sp) on my server, the page
simply do somthing if request.form("F ormAction")="sa ve", then insert a
record in db. 2) I create a html page locally saved in my own hard
disk and the page contains the tag <FORM name="LocalPage "
action="https://server/insertRecord.as p" method="post">, then I SUBIMT
it to the server's insertRecord.as p.
3) The result: It works!!!

Question:
How can I prevent this case?
The Problem is that user can edit the html page which located in his
hard disk and then submit it to my asp on the server.
Any server variable or other means can check and prevent the user to
do this?

<%
If request.serverv ariables("remot e_addr") = "127.0.0.1" Then 'for localhost
%>

or your factual lan ip if you are accessing this page outside your
localhost "192.168.1. 7" or so. Or you can detect a range.

--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[Evertjan.]

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
microsoft.publi c.inetserver.as p.general:

"Evertjan." wrote:

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
microsoft.publi c.inetserver.as p.general:

> 1) Assume I have an asp page (insertRecord.a sp) on my server, the
> page simply do somthing if request.form("F ormAction")="sa ve", then
> insert a record in db. 2) I create a html page locally saved in my
> own hard disk and the page contains the tag <FORM name="LocalPage "
> action="https://server/insertRecord.as p" method="post">, then I
> SUBIMT it to the server's insertRecord.as p.
> 3) The result: It works!!!
>
> Question:
> How can I prevent this case?
> The Problem is that user can edit the html page which located in
> his hard disk and then submit it to my asp on the server.
> Any server variable or other means can check and prevent the user
> to do this?
<%
If request.serverv ariables("remot e_addr") = "127.0.0.1" Then 'for
localhost %>

or your factual lan ip if you are accessing this page outside your
localhost "192.168.1. 7" or so. Or you can detect a range.

What I want to do is:
- "PREVENT the user who edit the html page which is the response of my
asp". After editing from his local version and then submit to my
server's asp. As a result, he can overcome some logic or hidden value
in my previously responsed html page.

e.g. The responsed html page has a hidden value (record id) in the
html page. The user save the html page to local, then modify the
hidden id and submit it again. As a result, he may be able to update
another record (which he is suppose not be able to view or edit)

[please do not toppost on usenet]

That is aother matter.

If the html page is on a not trusted user's machine [since you seem to
have sent it to him/her, correct?], you cannot prevent him/her to edit it
and use all the knowledge in that file.

Security is never assured if crucial files are on the client['s ]side.

So, do not send this file to a non-trusted user.
[The user rightly should not trust YOU, and be an idiot for uploading
executables, even html, from YOU. No offence intended, but trust
is/should be mutual.]

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Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
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[Tom Kaminski [MVP]]

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Check Request.ServerV ariables("HTTP_ REFERER") to make sure it is equal to
your form page.

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[Patrice]

You could :
- check before updating that access to this id is allowed to the user
- create a kind of checksum on hidden values so that you can check if the
user changed a value in your form
- crypt hidden values (either really or by using a "handle" that in turns
will return server side the actual value to use)
- other ?

Patrice

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Dear Evertjan
Thanks for your reply.

What I want to do is:
- "PREVENT the user who edit the html page which is the response of my asp". After editing from his local version and then submit to my server's asp. As a result, he can overcome some logic or hidden value in my previously responsed html page.

e.g. The responsed html page has a hidden value (record id) in the html
page. The user save the html page to local, then modify the hidden id and
submit it again. As a result, he may be able to update another record (which he is suppose not be able to view or edit)

Please advise.
Thanks.
"Evertjan." wrote:

=?Utf-8?B?VFQ=?= wrote on 10 aug 2004 in
microsoft.publi c.inetserver.as p.general:

1) Assume I have an asp page (insertRecord.a sp) on my server, the page
simply do somthing if request.form("F ormAction")="sa ve", then insert a
record in db. 2) I create a html page locally saved in my own hard
disk and the page contains the tag <FORM name="LocalPage "
action="https://server/insertRecord.as p" method="post">, then I SUBIMT
it to the server's insertRecord.as p.
3) The result: It works!!!

Question:
How can I prevent this case?
The Problem is that user can edit the html page which located in his
hard disk and then submit it to my asp on the server.
Any server variable or other means can check and prevent the user to
do this?

<%
If request.serverv ariables("remot e_addr") = "127.0.0.1" Then 'for localhost %>

or your factual lan ip if you are accessing this page outside your
localhost "192.168.1. 7" or so. Or you can detect a range.

--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[Bã§TãRÐ]

You've just described a form of Cross Site Scripting Attack wich is becoming more and more of a problem to the sites I develop. Depending on the situation I am coding for I do a combination of things.
Like Tom suggested I will check that Request.ServerV ariables("HTTP_ REFERER") variable is coming from a set path I want the user to follow, if it doesnt then something is going wrong. This kind of
attack usually happens with e-commerce checkout processes. If this is the case you really should check the price coming in to the price you should have. It gets complicated having to over code these
kinds of things but thats what a secure site needs. Secondly, I check session variables. Because they are created on the server they are hard to fake, using a SessionID for a user that hits the site
will add another layer of checking. Again it depends on the situation and what you're coding for but these are 2 things I use.
- Bastard

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:01:54 -0400, "Tom Kaminski [MVP]" <tomk (A@T) mvps (D.O.T) org> wrote:

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Check Request.ServerV ariables("HTTP_ REFERER") to make sure it is equal to
your form page.