Need info, books, articles,code, etc: Access VBA to XML to/from MySQL via HTTP

[Cheryl Langdon]

Hello everyone,

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner. Please
forgive me if this is an inappropriate request.

I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application. I know VBA pretty well but
have never before needed to do this HTTP/XML/MySQL type functions.

I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML. The table on the web
server is very simple. It has only 10 data fields with a single
column index.

Can any of you fine folks point me in the right direction for
self-tutorials in the form of sample code, articles, books, etc that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time. I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.
I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items. Any help or guidance
will be very much appreciated.

--- Cheryl

['69 Camaro]

Hello, Lauren Wilson.

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner.
It's your first time pretending to be Cheryl, but you've posted hundreds of
messages in this newsgroup when you asked for help as Lauren Wilson. We
didn't fall off the onion truck yesterday, you know. It was the day before.
Please
forgive me
A full tank of gas in my car might help sway me, but I think Lyle has bigger
aspirations.
I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application.
That hidden DAP/ASP idea didn't work out? The one where you wanted to
manipulate records in the remote Access/SQL Server database on the Web from
your customers' MDE files, unbeknownst to the customer, in order to get the
licensing info to protect your intellectual property? Back to the drawing
board, I guess.
I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML.
So, with these requirements, the only thing that has changed is the database
engine. Correct? When you attempted to do this with SQL Server, did you
run into any problems? If not, then the only things you need to change are
the database driver (MyODBC), the connection string, and the SQL, because
SQL Server's T-SQL isn't quite the same dialect, but for simple adds,
deletes, and updates, it's not a stretch to learn MySQL's syntax.

You'll find an example connection string on the following Web page:

http://www.carlprothman.net/Default....DriverForMySQL

Download the MySQL reference manual for the SQL syntax from the following
Web page:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc
that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time.
I know that you don't want this advice, Lauren, but I'm going to offer it
anyway. Take the time to learn the technologies you are using. When
someone's approach to software development is "just spoon feed me enough to
get by," that developer doesn't get much background knowledge of the topic,
so can't foresee likely problems or decide on the best solutions. And when
a slightly complex problem pops up, the spoon-fed developer is going to be
stumped, with no idea what's wrong, let alone how to fix it.

To give you a head's up, your current strategy is most likely going to run
into a problem with port 3306. If it does, this will be a show stopper for
you. Start thinking of alternatives. And if any of your customers "spoof"
your online database on their own networks, your efforts will be for naught,
because your application won't be able to recognize that it's getting bogus
data from a bogus database, unless you specifically code for this.
I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items.
You're looking for shrink-wrapped VBA code snippets to do these online
database tasks, and you'll have a very hard time finding them. VBA isn't
the language of choice for most developers working with online MySQL
databases. Did you notice all those PHP/MySQL and Perl/MySQL tutorials on
the Web during your search? There's a good reason why there are so many.
I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.
I have no idea if you're stretching the truth on this, too, but your
deadline must be looming, since you were assigned these tasks a month ago.
Has your company considered contracting with an experienced developer
instead of burdening you with these tasks? The job would be completed in
very little time. Unfortunately, if the developer is worth his salt, he'll
also advise your company on the wisdom of trying to protect your
intellectual property in this way, which it sounds like your company is not
interested in hearing.

Oh, and another piece of advice, Lauren: next time you post a message in
this newsgroup, check the name on your driver's license first. It may show
you which name to use.

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Cheryl Langdon" <pu****@hasnone edtoknow.com> wrote in message
news:g4******** *************** *********@4ax.c om... Hello everyone,

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner. Please
forgive me if this is an inappropriate request.

I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application. I know VBA pretty well but
have never before needed to do this HTTP/XML/MySQL type functions.

I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML. The table on the web
server is very simple. It has only 10 data fields with a single
column index.

Can any of you fine folks point me in the right direction for
self-tutorials in the form of sample code, articles, books, etc that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time. I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.
I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items. Any help or guidance
will be very much appreciated.

--- Cheryl

[Anthony England]

> Oh, and another piece of advice, Lauren: next time you post a message in

this newsgroup, check the name on your driver's license first. It may
show you which name to use.

HTH.
Gunny

I don't know whether "Gunny", "'69" or "Camaro" appear on your driving
licence.
Neither "Anthony" nor "England" appear on my mine, so I don't believe people
are obliged to post full passport details or a valid e-mail address, but I
think what's going on here is different - and you're right to point it out.
Falsely claiming you've never posted before when you have already received
many hours of peoples time is not really fair.
Perhaps you will claim this is not true, but do a Google search with phrases
like "fine folks" "lauren wilson". Is it just coincidence that both Lauren
and Cheryl use such a phrase and are both seeking help with similar topics?

['69 Camaro]

Hi, Anthony.

I don't know whether "Gunny", "'69" or "Camaro" appear on your driving
licence.
Many people just call me Gunny, for short, because my full name requires 64
characters and is difficult to pronounce correctly. And I bought an old '69
Camaro so that I could learn how to drive and get my first driver's license.
Does that count?

As for the following:

Lauren: next time you post a message in this newsgroup, check the name
on your driver's license first. It may show you which name to use.
.. . . I was being facetious, and I doubt her name is really Lauren. She's
used so many different names when she's posted messages in the newsgroups
that it might help her to remember which one to use if she just references a
single name that she has written down and that she can easily find at all
times, such as her driver's license.
Falsely claiming you've never posted before when you have already received
many hours of peoples time is not really fair.

That's exactly what caught my attention and prompted me to look more closely
at who the poster was. Most brand new posters post a brief question that's
only one or two sentences, and often don't use the correct terminology. Her
post provided much detail about what she's after and was obviously well
thought out. It didn't look like a first-timer's post. And then I
remembered Lauren's posts from last month that requested virtually the same
thing, but she stopped posting to those threads when she was confronted with
what she didn't want to hear regarding her philosophies. Ergo, she's
baa-aack!

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Anthony England" <ae******@oops. co.uk> wrote in message
news:D5******** *************** *******@bt.com. .. Oh, and another piece of advice, Lauren: next time you post a message in
this newsgroup, check the name on your driver's license first. It may
show you which name to use.

HTH.
Gunny

I don't know whether "Gunny", "'69" or "Camaro" appear on your driving
licence.
Neither "Anthony" nor "England" appear on my mine, so I don't believe
people are obliged to post full passport details or a valid e-mail
address, but I think what's going on here is different - and you're right
to point it out. Falsely claiming you've never posted before when you have
already received many hours of peoples time is not really fair.
Perhaps you will claim this is not true, but do a Google search with
phrases like "fine folks" "lauren wilson". Is it just coincidence that
both Lauren and Cheryl use such a phrase and are both seeking help with
similar topics?

[Cheryl Langdon]

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:21:14 -0700, "'69 Camaro"
<Fo************ **************@ Spameater.orgZE RO_SPAM> wrote:

Hello, Lauren Wilson.

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner.
It's your first time pretending to be Cheryl, but you've posted hundreds of
messages in this newsgroup when you asked for help as Lauren Wilson. We
didn't fall off the onion truck yesterday, you know. It was the day before.

Please
forgive me

A full tank of gas in my car might help sway me, but I think Lyle has bigger
aspirations.

I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application.

That hidden DAP/ASP idea didn't work out? The one where you wanted to
manipulate records in the remote Access/SQL Server database on the Web from
your customers' MDE files, unbeknownst to the customer, in order to get the
licensing info to protect your intellectual property? Back to the drawing
board, I guess.

I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML.

So, with these requirements, the only thing that has changed is the database
engine. Correct? When you attempted to do this with SQL Server, did you
run into any problems? If not, then the only things you need to change are
the database driver (MyODBC), the connection string, and the SQL, because
SQL Server's T-SQL isn't quite the same dialect, but for simple adds,
deletes, and updates, it's not a stretch to learn MySQL's syntax.

You'll find an example connection string on the following Web page:

http://www.carlprothman.net/Default....DriverForMySQL

Download the MySQL reference manual for the SQL syntax from the following
Web page:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc

that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time.

I know that you don't want this advice, Lauren, but I'm going to offer it
anyway. Take the time to learn the technologies you are using. When
someone's approach to software development is "just spoon feed me enough to
get by," that developer doesn't get much background knowledge of the topic,
so can't foresee likely problems or decide on the best solutions. And when
a slightly complex problem pops up, the spoon-fed developer is going to be
stumped, with no idea what's wrong, let alone how to fix it.

To give you a head's up, your current strategy is most likely going to run
into a problem with port 3306. If it does, this will be a show stopper for
you. Start thinking of alternatives. And if any of your customers "spoof"
your online database on their own networks, your efforts will be for naught,
because your application won't be able to recognize that it's getting bogus
data from a bogus database, unless you specifically code for this.

I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items.

You're looking for shrink-wrapped VBA code snippets to do these online
database tasks, and you'll have a very hard time finding them. VBA isn't
the language of choice for most developers working with online MySQL
databases. Did you notice all those PHP/MySQL and Perl/MySQL tutorials on
the Web during your search? There's a good reason why there are so many.

I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.

I have no idea if you're stretching the truth on this, too, but your
deadline must be looming, since you were assigned these tasks a month ago.
Has your company considered contracting with an experienced developer
instead of burdening you with these tasks? The job would be completed in
very little time. Unfortunately, if the developer is worth his salt, he'll
also advise your company on the wisdom of trying to protect your
intellectual property in this way, which it sounds like your company is not
interested in hearing.

Oh, and another piece of advice, Lauren: next time you post a message in
this newsgroup, check the name on your driver's license first. It may show
you which name to use.

Thank you Gunny. Actually, I'm using Lauren's PC. She is helping me
recover from a desperate family crisis. Lauren is out of the country
for about a month on business. She allowed me to use her office for
that time if I would help her with one of her projects. She told me I
might get some help from this group if I needed it. I hope I have not
offended anyone.*

As to the goal behind my question, it has nothing to do with any kind
of license thing at all. I'm really not sure what all that talk is
about. Lauren has many projects. What we're trying to do is create
a means of imbedding a form into an application that can be updated to
display certain user instructional announcements from records stored
on a MySQL database on a web server. The application is an
educational tool for a local volunteer group that mentors and guides
disadvantaged kids in our area. I think this is one of Lauren's
charity projects. I agreed to help her with this part of the project
in her absence. I hope I can get it done before she returns because
if I can, I will have a permanent job with one of Lauren's clients who
is also helping the school we're doing this for. I have been
unemployed for almost two years due to serious illness. This may be a
way to help pickup the pieces.

I apologize if I offended you.
HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Cheryl Langdon" <pu****@hasnone edtoknow.com> wrote in message
news:g4******* *************** **********@4ax. com...

Hello everyone,

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner. Please
forgive me if this is an inappropriate request.

I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application. I know VBA pretty well but
have never before needed to do this HTTP/XML/MySQL type functions.

I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML. The table on the web
server is very simple. It has only 10 data fields with a single
column index.

Can any of you fine folks point me in the right direction for
self-tutorials in the form of sample code, articles, books, etc that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time. I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.
I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items. Any help or guidance
will be very much appreciated.

--- Cheryl

['69 Camaro]

Hello, Lauren Wilson.

I'm reluctant to say this, because it's going to make me look like the
biggest schmuck this side of the Mississippi. So be it.

I know certain things that you don't realize I know, Lauren, so I can say
with confidence that most, if not all, of what you've just told me to gain
my sympathies is bogus. I will not accept your apology unless you come
clean -- publicly, and in this newsgroup.

What we're trying to do is create
a means of imbedding a form into an application that can be updated to
display certain user instructional announcements from records stored
on a MySQL database on a web server. The application is an
educational tool for a local volunteer group that mentors and guides
disadvantaged kids in our area.
Can the Access database application be co-located with the MySQL database on
the same network? If not, what operating systems (and versions) are the Web
server and MySQL database on? Which Web server (and version) is being used?

What type of Web space are we talking about? Is it the organization's Web
space (where they have permission to configure the server and install
software), the organization's ISP's Web space or a commercial Web host's Web
space (where they may have limited permissions on configuring and installing
software)? Is there a database size limit or Web disk space limit that we
should know about?

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/ex...ributors2.html for contact
info.
"Cheryl Langdon" <pu****@hasnone edtoknow.com> wrote in message
news:2s******** *************** *********@4ax.c om... On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:21:14 -0700, "'69 Camaro"
<Fo************ **************@ Spameater.orgZE RO_SPAM> wrote:

Hello, Lauren Wilson.

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner.

It's your first time pretending to be Cheryl, but you've posted hundreds
of
messages in this newsgroup when you asked for help as Lauren Wilson. We
didn't fall off the onion truck yesterday, you know. It was the day
before.

Please
forgive me

A full tank of gas in my car might help sway me, but I think Lyle has
bigger
aspirations .

I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application.

That hidden DAP/ASP idea didn't work out? The one where you wanted to
manipulate records in the remote Access/SQL Server database on the Web
from
your customers' MDE files, unbeknownst to the customer, in order to get
the
licensing info to protect your intellectual property? Back to the drawing
board, I guess.

I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML.

So, with these requirements, the only thing that has changed is the
database
engine. Correct? When you attempted to do this with SQL Server, did you
run into any problems? If not, then the only things you need to change
are
the database driver (MyODBC), the connection string, and the SQL, because
SQL Server's T-SQL isn't quite the same dialect, but for simple adds,
deletes, and updates, it's not a stretch to learn MySQL's syntax.

You'll find an example connection string on the following Web page:

http://www.carlprothman.net/Default....DriverForMySQL

Download the MySQL reference manual for the SQL syntax from the following
Web page:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc

that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time.

I know that you don't want this advice, Lauren, but I'm going to offer it
anyway. Take the time to learn the technologies you are using. When
someone's approach to software development is "just spoon feed me enough
to
get by," that developer doesn't get much background knowledge of the
topic,
so can't foresee likely problems or decide on the best solutions. And
when
a slightly complex problem pops up, the spoon-fed developer is going to be
stumped, with no idea what's wrong, let alone how to fix it.

To give you a head's up, your current strategy is most likely going to run
into a problem with port 3306. If it does, this will be a show stopper
for
you. Start thinking of alternatives. And if any of your customers
"spoof"
your online database on their own networks, your efforts will be for
naught,
because your application won't be able to recognize that it's getting
bogus
data from a bogus database, unless you specifically code for this.

I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items.

You're looking for shrink-wrapped VBA code snippets to do these online
database tasks, and you'll have a very hard time finding them. VBA isn't
the language of choice for most developers working with online MySQL
databases. Did you notice all those PHP/MySQL and Perl/MySQL tutorials on
the Web during your search? There's a good reason why there are so many.

I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.

I have no idea if you're stretching the truth on this, too, but your
deadline must be looming, since you were assigned these tasks a month ago.
Has your company considered contracting with an experienced developer
instead of burdening you with these tasks? The job would be completed in
very little time. Unfortunately, if the developer is worth his salt,
he'll
also advise your company on the wisdom of trying to protect your
intellectua l property in this way, which it sounds like your company is
not
interested in hearing.

Oh, and another piece of advice, Lauren: next time you post a message in
this newsgroup, check the name on your driver's license first. It may
show
you which name to use.

Thank you Gunny. Actually, I'm using Lauren's PC. She is helping me
recover from a desperate family crisis. Lauren is out of the country
for about a month on business. She allowed me to use her office for
that time if I would help her with one of her projects. She told me I
might get some help from this group if I needed it. I hope I have not
offended anyone.*

As to the goal behind my question, it has nothing to do with any kind
of license thing at all. I'm really not sure what all that talk is
about. Lauren has many projects. What we're trying to do is create
a means of imbedding a form into an application that can be updated to
display certain user instructional announcements from records stored
on a MySQL database on a web server. The application is an
educational tool for a local volunteer group that mentors and guides
disadvantaged kids in our area. I think this is one of Lauren's
charity projects. I agreed to help her with this part of the project
in her absence. I hope I can get it done before she returns because
if I can, I will have a permanent job with one of Lauren's clients who
is also helping the school we're doing this for. I have been
unemployed for almost two years due to serious illness. This may be a
way to help pickup the pieces.

I apologize if I offended you.

"Cheryl Langdon" <pu****@hasnone edtoknow.com> wrote in message
news:g4****** *************** ***********@4ax .com...

Hello everyone,

This is my first attempt at getting help in this manner. Please
forgive me if this is an inappropriate request.

I suddenly find myself in urgent need of instruction on how to
communicate with a MySQL database table on a web server, from inside
of my company's Access-VBA application. I know VBA pretty well but
have never before needed to do this HTTP/XML/MySQL type functions.

I need to be able to create new records, read from and update records
stored in a MySQL database on a web server FROM a client based Access
2003 application using VBA. The communication needs to be via HTTP or
HTTPS and the data can be transferred as XML. The table on the web
server is very simple. It has only 10 data fields with a single
column index.

Can any of you fine folks point me in the right direction for
self-tutorials in the form of sample code, articles, books, etc that
will help me learn to do these functions in the shortest possible
time. I'm sorry to admit that my job is on the line with this project.
I have been searching the web for this stuff but I am simply
overwhelmed with lots of loosely related items. Any help or guidance
will be very much appreciated.

--- Cheryl

[Anthony England]

"'69 Camaro" <Fo************ **************@ Spameater.orgZE RO_SPAM> wrote in
message news:8M******** *************** *******@adelphi a.com...

Hi, Anthony.

I don't know whether "Gunny", "'69" or "Camaro" appear on your driving
licence.

Many people just call me Gunny, for short, because my full name requires
64 characters and is difficult to pronounce correctly. And I bought an
old '69 Camaro so that I could learn how to drive and get my first
driver's license. Does that count?

Absolutely.
In case it seemed otherwise, I 100% approve of your reply.
I only meant that I didn't even think it was wrong to use a bogus name -
especially if you are providing help rather than asking for it.

I also seem to have anticipated the next stage - the denial. Now the poster
claims it is a different person but the same machine. I wonder whether it
is coincidence that the 'new person' also uses the expression 'you fine
folks' as does 'Lauren Wilson'. Perhaps they also dress in a similar
fashion.

[Anthony England]

> Thank you Gunny. Actually, I'm using Lauren's PC. She is helping me

recover from a desperate family crisis. Lauren is out of the country
for about a month on business. She allowed me to use her office for
that time if I would help her with one of her projects. She told me I
might get some help from this group if I needed it. I hope I have not
offended anyone.*

As to the goal behind my question, it has nothing to do with any kind
of license thing at all. I'm really not sure what all that talk is
about. Lauren has many projects. What we're trying to do is create
a means of imbedding a form into an application that can be updated to
display certain user instructional announcements from records stored
on a MySQL database on a web server. The application is an
educational tool for a local volunteer group that mentors and guides
disadvantaged kids in our area. I think this is one of Lauren's
charity projects. I agreed to help her with this part of the project
in her absence. I hope I can get it done before she returns because
if I can, I will have a permanent job with one of Lauren's clients who
is also helping the school we're doing this for. I have been
unemployed for almost two years due to serious illness. This may be a
way to help pickup the pieces.

I apologize if I offended you.

Am I just cynical, or do others find that the sadder the story gets, the
harder it is to believe?

desperate family crisis
unemployed for almost two years due to serious illness
charity projects
local volunteer group
disadvantaged kids

Perhaps it would be better to appeal to us for some money with which you
could hire an experienced developer.

['69 Camaro]

Hi, Anthony.

I also seem to have anticipated the next stage - the denial.
Yup. You saw that one coming.
Perhaps they also dress in a similar fashion.
Right down to the same shoe size. They even use the same toothbrush.

Gunny
"Anthony England" <ae******@oops. co.uk> wrote in message
news:5d******** ************@bt .com...
Absolutely.
In case it seemed otherwise, I 100% approve of your reply.
I only meant that I didn't even think it was wrong to use a bogus name -
especially if you are providing help rather than asking for it.

I also seem to have anticipated the next stage - the denial. Now the
poster claims it is a different person but the same machine. I wonder
whether it is coincidence that the 'new person' also uses the expression
'you fine folks' as does 'Lauren Wilson'. Perhaps they also dress in a
similar fashion.

[Lyle Fairfield]

Cheryl Langdon <pu****@hasnone edtoknow.com> wrote in
news:2s******** *************** *********@4ax.c om:

Thank you Gunny. Actually, I'm using Lauren's PC. She is helping me
recover from a desperate family crisis. Lauren is out of the country
for about a month on business. She allowed me to use her office for
that time if I would help her with one of her projects. She told me I
might get some help from this group if I needed it. I hope I have not
offended anyone.*

As to the goal behind my question, it has nothing to do with any kind
of license thing at all. I'm really not sure what all that talk is
about. Lauren has many projects. What we're trying to do is create
a means of imbedding a form into an application that can be updated to
display certain user instructional announcements from records stored
on a MySQL database on a web server. The application is an
educational tool for a local volunteer group that mentors and guides
disadvantaged kids in our area. I think this is one of Lauren's
charity projects. I agreed to help her with this part of the project
in her absence. I hope I can get it done before she returns because
if I can, I will have a permanent job with one of Lauren's clients who
is also helping the school we're doing this for. I have been
unemployed for almost two years due to serious illness. This may be a
way to help pickup the pieces.

I apologize if I offended you.

Can we send money? How much would be enough?

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Lyle Fairfield