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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:53:33 -0500, "David W. Fenton"
<dX********@bwa y.net.invalid> wrote: "Allen Browne" <Al*********@Se eSig.Invalid> wrote in
news:43******* *************** *@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au :
Really early days yet, with many months before the next version is
out, but Microsoft has been listening to user feedback, and will
be providing some of the most asked for features, including the
ability to create PDFs out of Access.
I saw that in the Word 12 preview information, too. But I wonder if
that means that Microsoft is abandoning their competitor to PDF?
That would be good news if it's the case.
The one thing I miss in Erik Rucker's post is a mentione of a
commitment to the developer side of things, especially the developer
working with small businesses. Access has de-emphasized that market
since the introduction of A2K, which seemed to me to be very
enterprise-oriented, with all the new features (except for those in
Jet 4 itself) directed towards interoperabilit y with SQL Server.
I have it on good aouthority that the following occurred...
An acquaintance of mine in PAUG (Portland Access Users Group) was asked to go
visit Microsoft and explain to them why there was so little interest among
Access developers in upgrading to new versions, particularly Access 2003. His
response to Microsoft was that nothing added to Access 2003 made it
particularly easier to create applications or allowed us to add any value for
the user. He then gave them a list of features he'd been wanting to see since
Access 97, and things that were useful in Access 97 that have been broken ever
since.
I thnk it's a good sign that since MS percieved a problem with lack of
interest in Access 2003 and asked at least one professional Access developer
for advice.
I guess I'm just thinking out loud here but does anyone have any idea
what the default file format will be in the next version? Will MS
stick to A2K or are they going to wipe the slate clean? It will be
great to have added functionality in the development environment, but
will this only be usable if the user is running the new version of
Access on their PC? From my experience, companies don't race out and purchase the latest
version of Office as soon as it hits the shelves. Many that I know of
are using Office XP and some are still using Office 2K.
At the moment a developer can develop the application with Access 2003
and still distribute it to clients who are using the older versions if
he/she sticks with Access 2K file format and uses the relevant older
version to create the mde. Will this continue?
On 8 Oct 2005 22:43:25 -0700, "WJA" <WJ****@hotmail .com> wrote: I guess I'm just thinking out loud here but does anyone have any idea
what the default file format will be in the next version? Will MS
stick to A2K or are they going to wipe the slate clean? It will be
great to have added functionality in the development environment, but
will this only be usable if the user is running the new version of
Access on their PC?
From my experience, companies don't race out and purchase the latest
version of Office as soon as it hits the shelves. Many that I know of
are using Office XP and some are still using Office 2K.
At the moment a developer can develop the application with Access 2003
and still distribute it to clients who are using the older versions if
he/she sticks with Access 2K file format and uses the relevant older
version to create the mde. Will this continue?
And you've had it work reliably? I've never had much luck with that. It does
seem to work, however, to develop in A2K3, recompile in A2K2, and deploy that.
DIscountASP.Net allows DAPs.
Please, tell us those web hosts which do not allow DAPs.
WJA wrote: I guess I'm just thinking out loud here but does anyone have any idea
what the default file format will be in the next version? Will MS
stick to A2K or are they going to wipe the slate clean? It will be
great to have added functionality in the development environment, but
will this only be usable if the user is running the new version of
Access on their PC?
From my experience, companies don't race out and purchase the latest
version of Office as soon as it hits the shelves. Many that I know of
are using Office XP and some are still using Office 2K.
At the moment a developer can develop the application with Access 2003
and still distribute it to clients who are using the older versions if
he/she sticks with Access 2K file format and uses the relevant older
version to create the mde. Will this continue?
A serious developer should own all of the Access versions and deliver a file
that he knows will work for the user. If you do that then the fact that a newer
version uses a file format that is not compatible with all of your users is not
a problem. You simply don't develop in that version except to create apps for
users who also have that version (or a compatible version).
If you want to immediately acquire the latest version when it comes out and
learn all of the ins and outs that is commendable. It doesn't necessarily
follow that the newest release should become the development platform for all of
your users.
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Bob Alston wrote: But DAPs don't work for anything other than a LAN based web sit. If you
don't think so, go out and find a web host that will allow DAPs.
I have a second question: DAPs are files with a .htm extension. How
does the web host identify the DAP?
Rick Brandt wrote: A serious developer should own all of the Access versions and deliver a file
that he knows will work for the user. If you do that then the fact that a newer
version uses a file format that is not compatible with all of your users is not
a problem. You simply don't develop in that version except to create apps for
users who also have that version (or a compatible version).
I think your logic supports the retention of Clipper for those clients
who have DOS based machines. Great! I love Clipper.
But then what if they have only Commodore 64's? Ah well, there was a db
for the Commodore 64 called Oracle (no Really, it WAS called Oracle!)
with the wonderful ability of being able to cut and paste rectangles of
the screen as text (or was that PaperClip?). So, I should dust off the
machine in the basement?
"Rick Brandt" <ri*********@ho tmail.com> wrote in
news:4R******** **@newssvr12.ne ws.prodigy.com: WJA wrote: I guess I'm just thinking out loud here but does anyone have any
idea what the default file format will be in the next version?
Will MS stick to A2K or are they going to wipe the slate clean?
It will be great to have added functionality in the development
environment, but will this only be usable if the user is running
the new version of Access on their PC?
> From my experience, companies don't race out and purchase the
> latest version of Office as soon as it hits the shelves. Many that I
know of are using Office XP and some are still using Office 2K.
At the moment a developer can develop the application with Access
2003 and still distribute it to clients who are using the older
versions if he/she sticks with Access 2K file format and uses the
relevant older version to create the mde. Will this continue?
A serious developer should own all of the Access versions and
deliver a file that he knows will work for the user. . . . .
Well, if that's a Boolean AND, then I'm not a serious developer, as
I don't own any version of Access beyond 2000. I develop in that
where necessary and deploy on A2K2 or A2K3 where necessary. My
clients using something beyond A2K provide me Terminal Server access
to administer and test the apps on the versions they are deploying
under.
. . . If you do
that then the fact that a newer version uses a file format that is
not compatible with all of your users is not a problem. You
simply don't develop in that version except to create apps for
users who also have that version (or a compatible version).
I see no reason whatsoever to use the A2K2 or A2K3 file formats. Why
restrict your deployment platform for such a paltry collection of
new features?
If you want to immediately acquire the latest version when it
comes out and learn all of the ins and outs that is commendable.
It doesn't necessarily follow that the newest release should
become the development platform for all of your users.
I am conservative about recommending upgrades, but with the
stability of A2K as default MDB format for all versions since A2K, I
suggest that those who are already at A2K go ahead and upgrade when
purchasing new PCs, rather than the old practice of buying the new
version, removing it and installing the older version.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
"lylefair" <ly***********@ aim.com> wrote in
news:11******** **************@ g49g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com: DIscountASP.Net allows DAPs.
Please, tell us those web hosts which do not allow DAPs.
Every web host that's running a safe HTTP server.
That is, any web host that's running Apache, for instance.
Any web host that's running IIS is not one I'd ever use, because I
don't want my sites exposed to the vulnerabilities that come with
IIS.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
"lylefair" <ly***********@ aim.com> wrote in
news:11******** ************@g4 3g2000cwa.googl egroups.com: Bob Alston wrote:
But DAPs don't work for anything other than a LAN based web sit.
If you don't think so, go out and find a web host that will allow
DAPs.
I have a second question: DAPs are files with a .htm extension.
How does the web host identify the DAP?
Well, they have to support Jet databases, as well. I don't know how
DAPs connect to the MDB file, but I doubt it's ODBC, which is the
most widely-supported interface for Jet databases (available even on
some non-Microsoft-based web hosts).
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
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