I've always thought that the talking heads, the people that write Access
mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves as being the true masters of
Access tell MS what they want.
How does a lowly real-world developer, not some talking head pundit
touter, ever get MS to hear them?
Years ago they had something like a Wishlist, but I've always thought
that's pretty much a circular file.
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"Salad" <oi*@vinegar.co m> wrote I've always thought that the talking
heads, the people that write Access
mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves
as being the true masters of
Access tell MS what they want.
How does a lowly real-world developer,
not some talking head pundit
touter, ever get MS to hear them?
Years ago they had something like a
Wishlist, but I've always thought
that's pretty much a circular file.
Just for the record, none of the MVPs with whom I am acquainted, including
yours truly, either answer to "guru" nor "tout ourselves as the true masters
of Access". We have "spent more time with our backs to the wall" than some
and volunteer our time and effort to assist other users. I do so because
many people helped me over the years and all most of them asked was that I
pass on the help to someone who needed it when I was able -- and I have a
lot of "paying back" that way to do.
Microsoft also has an MVP Wish list, but each of the wish lists are only one
of the many sources of information Microsoft considers, and it may take
multiple versions of Access for even an accepted idea to make it into the
product. And, many of the suggestions never make it in. I, frankly, suspect
that requests that come back to them from their larger enterprise customers
via their sales force probably gets the most attention.
When I worked for a large company that created and sold software (among
other things), it had a "competitiv e analysis department" who analyzed
competitive products and customer situations where the customer had chosen
between our and others' products -- I suspect, but do not know, that
Microsoft has a similar function. If they do, a trend of "we lost that bid
because the competitor had function 'X' and we do not" would get someone's
attention rather quickly.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localh ost.not> wrote in message
news:7x1se.5838 $1q5.3779@trndd c02... "Salad" <oi*@vinegar.co m> wrote
I've always thought that the talking
heads, the people that write Access
mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves
as being the true masters of
Access tell MS what they want.
How does a lowly real-world developer,
not some talking head pundit
touter, ever get MS to hear them?
Years ago they had something like a
Wishlist, but I've always thought
that's pretty much a circular file.
Just for the record, none of the MVPs with whom I am acquainted, including
yours truly, either answer to "guru" nor "tout ourselves as the true
masters
of Access". We have "spent more time with our backs to the wall" than some
and volunteer our time and effort to assist other users. I do so because
many people helped me over the years and all most of them asked was that I
pass on the help to someone who needed it when I was able -- and I have a
lot of "paying back" that way to do.
Microsoft also has an MVP Wish list, but each of the wish lists are only
one
of the many sources of information Microsoft considers, and it may take
multiple versions of Access for even an accepted idea to make it into the
product. And, many of the suggestions never make it in. I, frankly,
suspect
that requests that come back to them from their larger enterprise
customers
via their sales force probably gets the most attention.
When I worked for a large company that created and sold software (among
other things), it had a "competitiv e analysis department" who analyzed
competitive products and customer situations where the customer had chosen
between our and others' products -- I suspect, but do not know, that
Microsoft has a similar function. If they do, a trend of "we lost that bid
because the competitor had function 'X' and we do not" would get someone's
attention rather quickly.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
Well Donnie must be really bored or gone totally bonkers to spend all this
time trying to impersonate me. It's indeed a pitiful sight to see how
Donnie struggles to imagine what it might be like to be an MVP and a
professional developer. Although, I will admit he seems to have gotten my
style down pretty well. But that just proves he has too much time on his
hands or he's off his meds again.
"Larry Linson" <no****@nospam. net> wrote in message
news:1118884875 .60b3388b2eaa03 c440d6524932e4c 470@teranews...
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localh ost.not> wrote in message
news:7x1se.5838 $1q5.3779@trndd c02... "Salad" <oi*@vinegar.co m> wrote
I've always thought that the talking
heads, the people that write Access
mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves
as being the true masters of
Access tell MS what they want.
How does a lowly real-world developer,
not some talking head pundit
touter, ever get MS to hear them?
Years ago they had something like a
Wishlist, but I've always thought
that's pretty much a circular file.
Just for the record, none of the MVPs with whom I am acquainted,
including yours truly, either answer to "guru" nor "tout ourselves as the true
masters
of Access". We have "spent more time with our backs to the wall" than
some and volunteer our time and effort to assist other users. I do so because
many people helped me over the years and all most of them asked was that
I pass on the help to someone who needed it when I was able -- and I have
a lot of "paying back" that way to do.
Microsoft also has an MVP Wish list, but each of the wish lists are only
one
of the many sources of information Microsoft considers, and it may take
multiple versions of Access for even an accepted idea to make it into
the product. And, many of the suggestions never make it in. I, frankly,
suspect
that requests that come back to them from their larger enterprise
customers
via their sales force probably gets the most attention.
When I worked for a large company that created and sold software (among
other things), it had a "competitiv e analysis department" who analyzed
competitive products and customer situations where the customer had
chosen between our and others' products -- I suspect, but do not know, that
Microsoft has a similar function. If they do, a trend of "we lost that
bid because the competitor had function 'X' and we do not" would get
someone's attention rather quickly.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
Well Donnie must be really bored or gone totally bonkers to spend all this
time trying to impersonate me. It's indeed a pitiful sight to see how
Donnie struggles to imagine what it might be like to be an MVP and a
professional developer. Although, I will admit he seems to have gotten my
style down pretty well. But that just proves he has too much time on his
hands or he's off his meds again.
Interesting, that Don should impersonate my debunking an impersonation of
me. Yep, he's got 'way, 'way too much time on his hands. Don, I wish you
lots of luck in finding work.
Larry Linson wrote: "Salad" <oi*@vinegar.co m> wrote
> I've always thought that the talking
> heads, the people that write Access
> mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves
> as being the true masters of
> Access tell MS what they want.
>
> How does a lowly real-world developer,
> not some talking head pundit
> touter, ever get MS to hear them?
>
> Years ago they had something like a
> Wishlist, but I've always thought
> that's pretty much a circular file.
Just for the record, none of the MVPs with whom I am acquainted, including
yours truly, either answer to "guru" nor "tout ourselves as the true masters
of Access". We have "spent more time with our backs to the wall" than some
and volunteer our time and effort to assist other users.
I don't consider those of us in Usenet of any use to MS. I think they
tend to ingore us riff-raff. The listen more to those that haven't a
clue but think they do.
I do so because many people helped me over the years and all most of them asked was that I
pass on the help to someone who needed it when I was able -- and I have a
lot of "paying back" that way to do.
I was doing the same in BBSs with older technologies. I suppose the
same is with you. That is why we support Usenet...not because of fame
and fortune but simeply under the "user helping user" mode.
Microsoft also has an MVP Wish list, but each of the wish lists are only one
of the many sources of information Microsoft considers, and it may take
multiple versions of Access for even an accepted idea to make it into the
product. And, many of the suggestions never make it in. I, frankly, suspect
that requests that come back to them from their larger enterprise customers
via their sales force probably gets the most attention.
I suspsect you are right. A brain dead company would not have someone
monitoring usenet groups. I think MS is one of them.
When I worked for a large company that created and sold software (among
other things), it had a "competitiv e analysis department" who analyzed
competitive products and customer situations where the customer had chosen
between our and others' products -- I suspect, but do not know, that
Microsoft has a similar function. If they do, a trend of "we lost that bid
because the competitor had function 'X' and we do not" would get someone's
attention rather quickly.
Oh, I am sure they competitiely analyze competitors. But I don;'t think
they analysze newsgroups.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:54:13 GMT, Salad <oi*@vinegar.co m> wrote:
I have sometimes thought about trying to shame them into fixing
things. For example using a webpage that tracks problems, since when
they have been outstanding, and what the status is:
Issue: cannot drag-n-drop an MDB file on the titlebar of MsAccess
First reported: Access 2.0 (1992)
Status: Capability available in other Office products for years, but
still not in A2003 11 years later.
Magazine writers love pages like this, so they don't have to do all
the research themselves.
With every new release of the product, the website would publish a
Satisfaction Index, showing by what percentage the shame list has been
reduced.
-Tom. I've always thought that the talking heads, the people that write Access
mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves as being the true masters of
Access tell MS what they want.
How does a lowly real-world developer, not some talking head pundit
touter, ever get MS to hear them?
Years ago they had something like a Wishlist, but I've always thought
that's pretty much a circular file.
Tom van Stiphout wrote: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:54:13 GMT, Salad <oi*@vinegar.co m> wrote:
I have sometimes thought about trying to shame them into fixing
things. For example using a webpage that tracks problems, since when
they have been outstanding, and what the status is:
Issue: cannot drag-n-drop an MDB file on the titlebar of MsAccess
First reported: Access 2.0 (1992)
Status: Capability available in other Office products for years, but
still not in A2003 11 years later.
Magazine writers love pages like this, so they don't have to do all
the research themselves.
With every new release of the product, the website would publish a
Satisfaction Index, showing by what percentage the shame list has been
reduced.
-Tom.
That's a great idea. One would almost think the magazines themselves
could put up such a page.
I've always thought that the talking heads, the people that write Access
mags, the "gurus" that tout themselves as being the true masters of
Access tell MS what they want.
How does a lowly real-world developer, not some talking head pundit
touter, ever get MS to hear them?
Years ago they had something like a Wishlist, but I've always thought
that's pretty much a circular file.
Well, I think Microsoft appreciates people who use newsgroups to assist the
Microsoft user base -- only recently have they appointed any significant
number of MVPs on the basis of things other than the quantity and quality of
the answers they provided in newsgroups.
Larry Linson
In microsoft.publi c.access I read some posts by Sharkbyte and thought,
"His writing style looks familiar." I noticed Sharkbyte was
knowledgeable enough that he/she has probably posted to
comp.databases. ms-access. I did a usage study based on somewhat unique
phrases found in his/her posts like "I do know" and "I have found that"
using Google with double quotes around the search string. I chose
about ten such phrases and believe it or not, David W. Fenton's
correlation was three times higher than anyone else's; he had matched
every single one of the ten phrases exactly somewhere in
comp.databases. ms-access. I realize this method does not prove the
identity of Sharkbyte (perhaps Sharkbyte was strongly influenced by the
language in David's posts), but the correlation was somewhat of a
surprise. Also, the volume of David's posts could be a contributing
factor. As a tangent to that study I noticed that Larry Linson, who
has been a strong contributor to this group for many, many years, and
Don Mellon, who provides comic relief, share many of the same language
ideosyncrasies even when Larry is not being impersonated. I don't know
what to make of all this, especially since about five other personae
correlated well with these two but not as strongly. Maybe "I" just had
too much time on my hands. But the possibility of Larry and Don being
the same person would put this particular thread in an interesting
light. Also note that there will never be repercussions when you
imitate yourself :-). If any of these hypotheses are correct (and
that's all that they are), I suspect the personae will be more careful
in the future. I should also check to see if the personae ganged up on
someone, causing someone to be surrounded and outgunned by one person
:-).
James A. Fortune
<ji********@com pumarc.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ z14g2000cwz.goo glegroups.com.. . In microsoft.publi c.access I read some posts by Sharkbyte and thought,
"His writing style looks familiar." I noticed Sharkbyte was
knowledgeable enough that he/she has probably posted to
comp.databases. ms-access. I did a usage study based on somewhat unique
phrases found in his/her posts like "I do know" and "I have found that"
using Google with double quotes around the search string. I chose
about ten such phrases and believe it or not, David W. Fenton's
correlation was three times higher than anyone else's; he had matched
every single one of the ten phrases exactly somewhere in
comp.databases. ms-access. I realize this method does not prove the
identity of Sharkbyte (perhaps Sharkbyte was strongly influenced by the
language in David's posts), but the correlation was somewhat of a
surprise. Also, the volume of David's posts could be a contributing
factor. As a tangent to that study I noticed that Larry Linson, who
has been a strong contributor to this group for many, many years, and
Don Mellon, who provides comic relief, share many of the same language
ideosyncrasies even when Larry is not being impersonated. I don't know
what to make of all this, especially since about five other personae
correlated well with these two but not as strongly. Maybe "I" just had
too much time on my hands. But the possibility of Larry and Don being
the same person would put this particular thread in an interesting
light. Also note that there will never be repercussions when you
imitate yourself :-). If any of these hypotheses are correct (and
that's all that they are), I suspect the personae will be more careful
in the future. I should also check to see if the personae ganged up on
someone, causing someone to be surrounded and outgunned by one person
:-).
James A. Fortune
<shrug>
Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
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