Is there a simple way to change the sort order in Access (numeric-alpha)
to alphanumeric? I've searched the help files and some books, but found
no answer.
Thanx for any advice
Chuck
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Access (like all software products) uses a "collating order" appropriate to
the human language in question. You would seldom need to change that order.
That would be like saying, "English normally sorts a and b to the start of
the alphabet, but I want to change that, & sort them to the end."
What are you trying to achieve?
HTH,
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... Is there a simple way to change the sort order in Access (numeric-alpha)
to alphanumeric? I've searched the help files and some books, but found
no answer.
Thanx for any advice
Chuck
In article <1069990952.792 418@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote: Access (like all software products) uses a "collating order" appropriate to
the human language in question. You would seldom need to change that order.
That would be like saying, "English normally sorts a and b to the start of
the alphabet, but I want to change that, & sort them to the end."
What are you trying to achieve?
HTH,
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... Is there a simple way to change the sort order in Access (numeric-alpha)
to alphanumeric? I've searched the help files and some books, but found
no answer.
Thanx for any advice
Chuck
Thanx TC - my "challenge" is to sort some coded information so that it
matches the sorting techniques used when the data were hosted on an old
mainframe system. On that system, the sort was alpha then numeric.
Simple sorts in Access and Excel are numeric then alpha.
I can achieve the reordering with queries that change the sort "value"
of each letter and number, but that is cumbersome, as the coded data are
4 to 6 characters long.
Thanx again,
Chuck
Ok, I understand.
There are several ways that you could sort the data into the order you want.
One is by using a query with an ORDER BY part. Say your table has a numeric
field N and a text field T. This would sort the table into "text then
number" order:
SELECT * FROM TheTable ORDER BY T, N;
This would sort it into "number then text" order:
... ORDER BY N, T;
This would sort it by the third character of the text field:
... ORDER BY Mid$ (T, 3)
and many other, similar combinations.
Does that help?
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... In article <1069990952.792 418@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote:
Access (like all software products) uses a "collating order" appropriate
to the human language in question. You would seldom need to change that
order. That would be like saying, "English normally sorts a and b to the start
of the alphabet, but I want to change that, & sort them to the end."
What are you trying to achieve?
HTH,
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... Is there a simple way to change the sort order in Access
(numeric-alpha) to alphanumeric? I've searched the help files and some books, but
found no answer.
Thanx for any advice
Chuck
Thanx TC - my "challenge" is to sort some coded information so that it
matches the sorting techniques used when the data were hosted on an old
mainframe system. On that system, the sort was alpha then numeric.
Simple sorts in Access and Excel are numeric then alpha.
I can achieve the reordering with queries that change the sort "value"
of each letter and number, but that is cumbersome, as the coded data are
4 to 6 characters long.
Thanx again,
Chuck
That's a similar approach to what I ended up with, thanx. I effectively
broke the 6 character field into 6 separate fields and redefined the
sort order for each of the parts and then sorted by the "new" fields.
I should have given some sample data to clarify:
Field values might be "AAAA ", "AAAA D", "AAA1 ", "AAA1A ".....
Those are in the order needed. Access would place the third and forth
before the first and second.
I appreciate the time you've spent helping, thanx agian
In article <1070072541.549 742@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote: Ok, I understand.
There are several ways that you could sort the data into the order you want.
One is by using a query with an ORDER BY part. Say your table has a numeric
field N and a text field T. This would sort the table into "text then
number" order:
SELECT * FROM TheTable ORDER BY T, N;
This would sort it into "number then text" order:
... ORDER BY N, T;
This would sort it by the third character of the text field:
... ORDER BY Mid$ (T, 3)
and many other, similar combinations.
Does that help?
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... In article <1069990952.792 418@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote:
Access (like all software products) uses a "collating order" appropriate to the human language in question. You would seldom need to change that order. That would be like saying, "English normally sorts a and b to the start of the alphabet, but I want to change that, & sort them to the end."
What are you trying to achieve?
HTH,
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com...
> Is there a simple way to change the sort order in Access (numeric-alpha) > to alphanumeric? I've searched the help files and some books, but found > no answer.
>
> Thanx for any advice
>
> Chuck
Thanx TC - my "challenge" is to sort some coded information so that it
matches the sorting techniques used when the data were hosted on an old
mainframe system. On that system, the sort was alpha then numeric.
Simple sorts in Access and Excel are numeric then alpha.
I can achieve the reordering with queries that change the sort "value"
of each letter and number, but that is cumbersome, as the coded data are
4 to 6 characters long.
Thanx again,
Chuck
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... That's a similar approach to what I ended up with, thanx. I effectively
broke the 6 character field into 6 separate fields and redefined the
sort order for each of the parts and then sorted by the "new" fields.
I should have given some sample data to clarify:
Field values might be "AAAA ", "AAAA D", "AAA1 ", "AAA1A ".....
Those are in the order needed. Access would place the third and forth
before the first and second.
I appreciate the time you've spent helping, thanx agian
No problem.
Another approach is to write a public function which accepts a field value
(eg. "AAA1 "), and returns a permuted value which >will< sort properly; say,
"1 AAA". Then, store those permuted values in a new field:
UPDATE MyTable SET NewField = MyFunction (OldField)
Then just ORDER BY on the new field.
HTH,
TC
In article <1070072541.549 742@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote:
Ok, I understand.
There are several ways that you could sort the data into the order you
want. One is by using a query with an ORDER BY part. Say your table has a
numeric field N and a text field T. This would sort the table into "text then
number" order:
SELECT * FROM TheTable ORDER BY T, N;
This would sort it into "number then text" order:
... ORDER BY N, T;
This would sort it by the third character of the text field:
... ORDER BY Mid$ (T, 3)
and many other, similar combinations.
Does that help?
TC
"Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com... In article <1069990952.792 418@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote:
> Access (like all software products) uses a "collating order"
appropriate to > the human language in question. You would seldom need to change that
order. > That would be like saying, "English normally sorts a and b to the
start of > the alphabet, but I want to change that, & sort them to the end."
>
> What are you trying to achieve?
>
> HTH,
> TC
>
>
> "Chuck M" <b2******@aol.c om> wrote in message
> news:b2******** *************** *****@netnews.a ttbi.com...
> > Is there a simple way to change the sort order in Access
(numeric-alpha) > > to alphanumeric? I've searched the help files and some books, but
found > > no answer.
> >
> > Thanx for any advice
> >
> > Chuck
>
>
Thanx TC - my "challenge" is to sort some coded information so that it
matches the sorting techniques used when the data were hosted on an
old mainframe system. On that system, the sort was alpha then numeric.
Simple sorts in Access and Excel are numeric then alpha.
I can achieve the reordering with queries that change the sort "value"
of each letter and number, but that is cumbersome, as the coded data
are 4 to 6 characters long.
Thanx again,
Chuck
In article <1070081478.948 449@teuthos>, "TC" <a@b.c.d> wrote:
No problem.
Another approach is to write a public function which accepts a field value
(eg. "AAA1 "), and returns a permuted value which >will< sort properly; say,
"1 AAA". Then, store those permuted values in a new field:
UPDATE MyTable SET NewField = MyFunction (OldField)
Then just ORDER BY on the new field.
HTH,
TC
This is an intersting idea, it may have some application in another
aspect of the database. I'll have to "play" with that on Monday when I
get back to work
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