VB.Net Rules!

Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zi******@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message
news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 16 '07 #6

Earl

I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as much.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 16 '07 #7

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is

simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 16 '07 #8

pfc_sadr

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

I thought that VB6 was.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:

I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as much.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 16 '07 #9

PFC Sadr

Bruce;

only in your own twisted paranoid universe do I deserve to be
mentioned in the same class as MP.

MP is a genius; he should be Sr Management at Microsoft.

AS SHOULD I.

-Aaron

On Feb 15, 10:06 pm, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 16 '07 #10

PFC Sadr

and for the record, .NET trashing is APPROPRIATE because it is still a
subset of vb6.

and Microsoft doesn't explain it that way.

-Aaron

On Feb 16, 5:12 am, "rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote:

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if it
>wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
>>offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 16 '07 #11

Earl

I would say that is one of the biggest advantages, but not the only one. C#
is much more concise -- if you can deal with all the brackets { }. Some
developers claim that C# is actually more understandable ... instead of Dim
strThing as String, you have string strThing, the idea being that in C# it
is not only less verbose, but has a natural flow. Semantics, I gotta use
both, so it's a non-issue, except that I sometimes forget how to do
something in one language that I can do in another.

<pf******@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

I thought that VB6 was.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
>I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too
many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the
Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as
much.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if
I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #12

how can you get more concise than DIM?

fuck brackets; I won't hit SHIFT every 30 seconds

those dipshits should have looked at a keyboard before screwing VB and
putting all their efforts into C#

c# is for fags that missed the 90s because they were stuck in C++ and
Java still-- without a decent IDE.

Meanwhile, we were the WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGAUGE AND MS KILLED IT
WITH NO VIABLE OR PRACTICAL REPLACEMENT

On Feb 16, 4:34 pm, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:

I would say that is one of the biggest advantages, but not the only one. C#
is much more concise -- if you can deal with all the brackets { }. Some
developers claim that C# is actually more understandable ... instead of Dim
strThing as String, you have string strThing, the idea being that in C# it
is not only less verbose, but has a natural flow. Semantics, I gotta use
both, so it's a non-issue, except that I sometimes forget how to do
something in one language that I can do in another.

<pfc_s...@hotmail.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

I thought that VB6 was.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too
many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the
Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as
much.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

>news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if
I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #13

the answer to verbosity = Vb6 _NOT_ csharp
the answer to verbosity = BUILDING A TIME MACHINE AND BLOWING UP
VISUAL FRED

On Feb 16, 4:34 pm, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:

I would say that is one of the biggest advantages, but not the only one. C#
is much more concise -- if you can deal with all the brackets { }. Some
developers claim that C# is actually more understandable ... instead of Dim
strThing as String, you have string strThing, the idea being that in C# it
is not only less verbose, but has a natural flow. Semantics, I gotta use
both, so it's a non-issue, except that I sometimes forget how to do
something in one language that I can do in another.

<pfc_s...@hotmail.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

I thought that VB6 was.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too
many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the
Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as
much.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

>news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if
I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #14

Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson, stated
how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one susiedba,
was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed by another
post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping right behind
the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain
unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has
been when the poster has a conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical
definitions, he was trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes, but
my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...

>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
>Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if
it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #15

Cor Ligthert [MVP]

VB.NET is the ultimate tool for .NET programming. VB6 isn't worthless.

;-)

This newsgroup is for VB.Net programming, for VB6 I advice you the newsgroup
microsoft.public.vb.general.discussions.

Thanks in advance to keep it in this newsgroup with VB.Net problems.

Cor

Feb 17 '07 #16

Cor Ligthert [MVP]

Earl,

I use both and I hate in VB.Net that I have to use that senseless Dim; it
really does nothing.
There is nothing against it to make it optinal for backwards compatability.

In C# I hate the use of brackets, those cost me often an halfour in a
complex situation (8 deep). In VBNet I have not any problem if I go 20 deep.

I use very much in C# the difference between uper and lower case, but there
as well I like it more that it is not possible in VB.Net. It looks however
crazy to use those VB.Net standards in C# and visa versa is impossible.

Cor

"Earl" <br******@newsgroups.nospamschreef in bericht
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>I would say that is one of the biggest advantages, but not the only one. C#
is much more concise -- if you can deal with all the brackets { }. Some
developers claim that C# is actually more understandable ... instead of Dim
strThing as String, you have string strThing, the idea being that in C# it
is not only less verbose, but has a natural flow. Semantics, I gotta use
both, so it's a non-issue, except that I sometimes forget how to do
something in one language that I can do in another.

<pf******@hotmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

I thought that VB6 was.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
>>I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too
many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the
Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C#
even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as
much.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #17

"Bruce W. Darby" <kr******@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com. ..

Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed
by another post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping
right behind the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one
who will remain unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or
filthy language has been when the poster has a conversation with himself.
Therefore, by logical definitions, he was trolling in the opposite
direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes,
but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce

P.S. And for anyone that I have offended, I offer my deepest apologies.

Feb 17 '07 #18

RobinS

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing around
with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kr******@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com. ..

Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
>>Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #19

ShaneO

RobinS wrote:

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

From how I read it, the above is true. It just goes to show the amount
of damage these couple of morons (Aaron + MP) are doing on this site.

Until these individuals started their rants you wouldn't even find a
cross word, now we have people misunderstanding what's being written,
taking offence, and withdrawing their on-going contribution, all because
of confusion created by these couple of lunatics!

If anyone were to withdraw their support then these clowns will have
won. I still believe the best way is to NOT respond directly to them.
I am not responding to them here, I am supporting RobinS in his comments
to Bruce.

Will we ever regain the valuable resource that was once this newgroup???

ShaneO

There are 10 kinds of people - Those who understand Binary and those who
don't.

Feb 17 '07 #20

Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me. Thanks
very much.

Bruce

"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:d_******************************@comcast.com. ..

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kr******@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com. ..
>Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googleg roups.com...
>>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #21

On Feb 17, 1:00 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson, stated
how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one susiedba,
was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed by another
post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping right behind
the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain
unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has
been when the poster has a conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical
definitions, he was trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes, but
my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if
it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Bruce, I am in no way upset at any of your posts and I apologize if I
gave you that impression. You are welcome in this newsgroup and I
encourage you to stay and keep participating. I'm not certain if the
first Larry Linson (not Jr) was the actual MVP or another of 'his'
aliases, and I wanted to warn you before you incurred the wrath of an
MVP by accidentally calling him a troll. Again I apoligize if I gave
you the wrong impression - I have no grudge against you and hope you
continue to contribute here.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

Feb 17 '07 #22

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you

should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

This is exactly what I meant, I was merely trying to combine two
threads into a single one, the second paragraph was definitely meant
for Master Programmer, not Bruce.

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 17, 1:34 am, "RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote:

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing around
with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote in messagenews:t4******************************@comca st.com...

Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>Bruce

>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

>>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #23

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me. Thanks
very much.

Bruce

"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message

news:d_******************************@comcast.com. ..

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you, you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com. ..
Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googleg roups.com...
Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>Thanks,

>Seth Rowe

>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>>Bruce

>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

>>>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #24

Seth,

I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe
On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
>Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears
to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile
with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence
at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that
life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have
perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me.
Thanks
very much.

Bruce

"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message

news:d_******************************@comcast.com ...

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you,
you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post
from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com ...
Seth,

>Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some
logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by
one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY
posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained
any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

>I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my
intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to
try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank
you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

>Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.google groups.com...
Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome
you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>>Thanks,

>>Seth Rowe

>>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

>>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>>>Bruce

>>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in
message

>>>>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl.. .

>>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants.
What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>>"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in
message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm
sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Feb 17 '07 #25

On Feb 17, 10:02 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Seth,

I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears
to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile
with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence
at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that
life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have
perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me.
Thanks
very much.

Bruce

"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message

>news:d_******************************@comcast.com ...

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you,
you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post
from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com. ..
Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some
logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by
one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY
posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained
any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my
intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to
try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank
you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googleg roups.com...
Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome
you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>Thanks,

>Seth Rowe

>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>>Bruce

>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in
message

>>>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants.
What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in
message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm
sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

Feb 17 '07 #26

Seth,

Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
..Net!

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...

Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

Feb 17 '07 #27

RobinS

Well, I'm glad that's cleared up. I can't speak for anyone else, but you
haven't done anything to offend *me* in this newsgroup. Glad you're going
to stick around.

Robin S.
------------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kr******@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:ld******************************@comcast.com. ..

Seth,

Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
.Net!

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroups" <ro********@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
>Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

Feb 18 '07 #28

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=F6ran_Andersson?=

pf******@hotmail.com wrote:

so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)

As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.

Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):

DIM A(4)

Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:

Dim B$

To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:

Dim B as String

Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.

I thought that VB6 was.

VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.

>
On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
>I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type as much.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

--
Göran Andersson
_____
http://www.guffa.com

Feb 18 '07 #29

I was NOT trollign in an opposite direction.

IT WAS NOT ME THAT POSTED THIS PRO-DOTNET _CRAP_

On Feb 16, 10:00 pm, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson, stated
how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by one susiedba,
was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language, followed by another
post by another one of the unnamed one's personalities stepping right behind
the others. The only time ANY posts about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain
unnamed' have not contained any vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has
been when the poster has a conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical
definitions, he was trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my intentions on
this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things sometimes, but
my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to try to learn
something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank you for your
graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et. al., is
simply trolling with different bait.

Bruce

"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in message

>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants. What if
it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Feb 19 '07 #30

I disagree.

VB6 is not slightly more verbose.

VB6 is _HALF_ the verbosity

I mean all the crap for events; I mean fuck VB DOTNET

Re:
VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of
course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_ IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_ IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_ IT_
VB6 _WAS_FULLY_OBJECT_ORIENTED_ENOUGH_BUT_NOBODY_USED_ IT_
why is it that 80% of vb6 programmers 'never built a class' but MS
held us down against our will and forced classes into our mouths?

I was RAPED BY MICROSOFT; WE SAID NO,NO,NO

AND NO MEANS NO

I WAS RAPED BY MICROSOFT AND I REFUSE TO SIT IDLY BY WHILE THEY SIT
THERE AND INVENT A NEW DIALECT OF VISUAL FRED

On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.comwrote:

pfc_s...@hotmail.com wrote:
so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)

As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.

Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):

DIM A(4)

Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:

Dim B$

To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:

Dim B as String

Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.

I thought that VB6 was.

VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

>news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

Feb 19 '07 #31

re:
Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET,
so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.
SO WHY IS IT THAT VB6 WORKS BETTER ON VISTA THAN VB 2002,2003 _AND_
2005?

The framework isn't on 10% of the real world desktops.

VB6 lives everywhere.

and for the record; vb.net does NOT have 1/4 of the functionality of
VB6

why can't I use VB.net scripts in SQL Server 2005 jobs?
why can't I save a DTS package as VB.net?
why can't I schedule a VBS file using Windows and written in VB.net?

DOTNET IS A PARTIAL SOLUTION AND THE IDE MOTHER FUCKING _SUCKS_ IT
CRASHES
YOU _DO_ HAVE A CHOICE

JOIN ME IN FLAMING MICROSOFT AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO DEMAND A REAL
VIABLE LANGUAGE.

IF ANYONE IS WILLING TO ADMIT THAT 'VB6 is not worth migrating' THEN
WE NEED A BETTER VB DOTNET
On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.comwrote:

pfc_s...@hotmail.com wrote:
so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)

As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.

Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):

DIM A(4)

Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:

Dim B$

To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:

Dim B as String

Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.

I thought that VB6 was.

VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

>news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

Feb 19 '07 #32

classic ADO allows me to use temp tables.

this ADO.net _CRAP_ does not

On Feb 18, 6:42 am, Göran Andersson <g...@guffa.comwrote:

pfc_s...@hotmail.com wrote:
so.. c# is the solution to VB.net code verbosity?

Yes, the only solution to make VB.NET less verbose is to make it not
BASIC. ;)

As VB.NET is BASIC with added features like type safety and object
orientation, it gets verbose. Most features are added by adding keywords
to existing commands.

Take for example the Dim command. In the original form it was only used
to create arrays by specify their dimensions (hence the name):

DIM A(4)

Regular variables would not be declared at all, just created when used.
To allow for explicit declaring of varibles, the DIM command was altered
to also allow for declaring regular variables:

Dim B$

To add type safety, the As keyword was added to the command:

Dim B as String

Similar ways of adding keywords can be seen througout the language.

I thought that VB6 was.

VB6 was a bit less verbose than VB.NET because it contained less
features. For example VB.NET is fully object oriented, which of course
adds a whole bunch of new keywords.

I am not going to embrace dotnet until the next version; I've been
saying that for several releases now.

I just can't deal with a bloated IDE that crashes on me.
I refuse to do it.

Sadly you have no choise in the long run. VB6 is replaced by VB.NET, so
MS will drop the support for it entirely in a few years.

On Feb 16, 5:01 am, "Earl" <briks...@newsgroups.nospamwrote:
I miss VB6 and "classic" ADO ... but I aint going back. There are too many
new tools that make my life easier. I'm sure that was part of the Microsoft
master plan. However, if you like VB.Net, you would probably like C# even
more. The hands, wrists, and bursitis appreciate not having to type asmuch.

"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in message

>news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm sorryif I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?

--
Göran Andersson
_____http://www.guffa.com

Feb 19 '07 #33

I'm not here to 'learn about dotnet'

I am here to build apps.

'learning about dotnet' does not feed me and my family
BUILDING APPLICATIONS DOES

On Feb 17, 1:07 pm, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Seth,

Duly noted, good sir. :) Now, let's get back to actually learning about
.Net!

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message

news:11*********************@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...

Good to hear! I would feel terrible if I caused someone to leave this
newsgroup - unless of course it was Aaron, but thats beside the point.
As far as troll warfare goes I completely support you in announcing to
poster Aaron is trolling what his aliases are and to ignore them. We
just need to be careful that we don't get confused on who is who
(which was probably Aaron's intent in using the Larry Linson
alias(es)) and incorrectly accuse each other of trolling. One useful
tool I found is looking at the poster's profile on Google Groups. If
you see a brand new account with the nick name "Seth Rowe" that is
only flaming newbies, you can be sure it isn't me!

Thanks,

Seth Rowe- Hide quoted text -

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Feb 19 '07 #34

I don't recognize the action to 'rename this newsgroup' from
microsoft.public.vb to microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb

JUST LIKE THE LANGUAGE IT IS TOO VERBOSE

if MS TRULY ONLY HAS ONE VB then the newsgroup should be at
Microsoft.Public.VB

On Feb 17, 7:02 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:

Seth,

I shall be more than happy to continue participating here. WAY too much good
information for me to just up and leave. No need for you to ever apologize
about what you have written. It's just my own frayed intellect that has
pushed me over the edge. :) Perhaps in the near future, I shall have
something other than 'goosing' the troll to contribute.

Bruce

"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message

news:11**********************@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Bruce, I'm glad you understand what I meant to say - but you never
said if you were going to continue participating here. You are going
to right?

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

On Feb 17, 2:28 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Robin,

Re-reading the post, I can see Seth's intent more clearly. What appears
to
be muddled is my own memory. The OP was actually MP, responded to by LL.
I've got to be more careful when I'm tired, as I seem to become senile
with
advancing exhaustion.

Shane,

Thanks for your comments as well. I have not, in any way, taken offence
at
what I interpreted from Seth's post. I'm far too old and realize that
life
is much too short to take offence at anyone. I do feel that I have
perhaps
offended some others here, however, and for that I am deeply sorry.

Everyone here has been a great source of help and inspiration for me.
Thanks
very much.

Bruce

"RobinS" <Rob...@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message

>news:d_******************************@comcast.com ...

Bruce,

If you think the second paragraph of Seth's message was meant for you,
you
should ask. I think he was directing that at MasterProgrammer who
supposedly was the original poster.

I think MasterProgrammer and AaronKempf are two different people, but I
think the first post was AK using MP's alias. MP hasn't been around
much
lately; he left the group a while back. I think it's just AK messing
around with us.

So maybe Seth will clarify. I hardly think you need to leave the group
simply because you were trying to help Zim understand that the post
from
was a troll, and Seth's comments surely don't pertain to you.

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote in message
news:t4******************************@comcast.com. ..
Seth,

Again, I stand corrected. :) I was simply attempting to use some
logical
reasoning behind the post I made. The original post, by Larry Linson,
stated how very much that person LOVES VB.Net. The very next post, by
one
susiedba, was also overflowing with praise for the .Net language,
followed by another post by another one of the unnamed one's
personalities stepping right behind the others. The only time ANY
posts
about VB.Net by 'the one who will remain unnamed' have not contained
any
vitriolic, abusive or filthy language has been when the poster has a
conversation with himself. Therefore, by logical definitions, he was
trolling in the opposite direction.

I am sorry that you feel that I am less than honorable in my
intentions
on this newsgroup. I do tend to get a bit too involved in things
sometimes, but my whole intention in coming to this newsgroup was to
try
to learn something. If I have overstayed my welcome, so be it. Thank
you
for your graciousness, but I shall no longer post on this board.

Bruce
"rowe_newsgroups" <rowe_em...@yahoo.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@v45g2000cwv.googleg roups.com...
Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>Be careful here, there is a Larry Linson who was/is an MS Access MVP,
and Aaron has been trolling under Larry Linson Jr. Whether or not the
other poster name Larry Linson is just another alias or not I'm not
sure. Also, as far as I can tell, Aaron and Master Programmer are two
different people, though for a while they joined together in .Net
trashing.

>As far as the OP goes, given your history many (including myself) are
skeptical at best at your statements. I will however give you the
benefit of the doubt and forgive the previous trolling and welcome
you
back into the newsgroup. Just behave this time, I'd hate to have to
plonk you again...

>Thanks,

>Seth Rowe

>On Feb 16, 1:06 am, "Bruce W. Darby" <kraco...@atcomcast.netwrote:
Zim,

>>Aaron, aka Master Programmer, aka Larry Linson, aka susiedba, et.
al.,
is
simply trolling with different bait.

>>Bruce

>>"Zim Babwe" <zimba...@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.comwrote in
message

>>>news:uk**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>I love VB.NET also, but you ask to be forgiven about the rants.
What
if it
wasn't OK?
You did ask!

>"Master Programmer" <master_program...@outgun.comwrote in
message
news:uW*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I love VB.Net! The next version is going to be even better. I'm
sorry
if I
offended anyone with my rants. Please forgive me. OK?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Feb 19 '07 #35