Which do you prefer?

[Master Programmer]

Which do you prefer?

Classic VB example:
*************************
Private Sub Command1_Click()
MsgBox "Hello, World"
End Sub

A VB.NET example:
**************************
Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click
MessageBox.Show("Hello, World")
End Sub

[Bruce W. Darby]

No, she said she's flexible. :)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@79g2000cws.googlegrou ps.com...

Hey Aaaron

Check this out ! RobinS has finally admitted that VB is going to be
history.

Steve

RobinS wrote:

>"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@79g2000cws.googlegr oups.com...

>' Say good by to the apostrophe

// because it's forward slash's for you all soon.

The Grand Master
VB 6.0 Jihad - Fight for your history and future

//I can deal with that.
//I'm *flexible*.

Robin S.

[RobinS]

She? Never assume. :-)

You're right that I said I'm flexible. I have no control
over whether VB is going away, but if it does, I'll adapt.

Robin S.
--------------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kr****@comcast.netwrote in message
news:HJ******************************@comcast.com. ..

No, she said she's flexible. :)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@79g2000cws.googlegrou ps.com...

>Hey Aaaron

Check this out ! RobinS has finally admitted that VB is going to be
history.

Steve

RobinS wrote:

>>"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@79g2000cws.googleg roups.com...
' Say good by to the apostrophe

// because it's forward slash's for you all soon.

The Grand Master
VB 6.0 Jihad - Fight for your history and future
//I can deal with that.
//I'm *flexible*.

Robin S.

[RobinS]

Please don't apologize. It's hard to let something go
that's just so darned wrong. BTW, I think Veritywhatever
is either Aaronkempf of MP "in disguise".
(All together now, "Ooooooooooh.")

Robin S.
---------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kr****@comcast.netwrote in message
news:dr******************************@comcast.com. ..

To all that take advantage of this newsgroup, I extend my most abject
apologies for allowing this to go this far. Stephany, thanks for the
heads up on the makecab stuff, any others that have presented me with
information and pointers in the correct direction, I also extend my
thanks to you for that.

"Bruce W. Darby" <kr****@comcast.netwrote in message
news:IK******************************@comcast.com. ..

>Miss, or Ms,. Verity,

So you think I'm immature? My apologies, but Master Programmer, and
Aaron Kempf as well, have been getting posts from more folk than
myself. Some very good and well thought out posts as well. If I am
immature to respond to a person who is using profanity and degrading
me as a human being, then so be it. If you wish to just stick your
head in the sand and hope that he will just 'go away', then you are
the immature one. He was here long before I started posting here and
he'll most likely be here long after I'm gone, from the sound of
things. I have done the 'right' mature thing and blocked any messages
from him from my newsreader. I do thank you for your response to me,
but you come across as a heavy-handed 'do what I say, not what I do'
type. If I am off-base on this, then I do submit my most abject
apologies. But before you start calling folks pathetic, think of what
the reaction will be to how YOU are perceived from your post.

<ve**********@yahoo.com.auwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...

>>You are just as immature and pathetic as Master Programmer. The only
reason he is still here is because he keeps getting a response from
you
- and you always reply. I think you should both grow up.

S Verity

Bruce W. Darby wrote:
So you admit that you cannot respond to a simple comment with
anything less
than complete and utter filth. A programmer of many years, such as
you claim
to be, is an educated individual who would not NEED to use such
filth to get
his point across. The only time I have seen the use of such
language is from
uneducated, young trolls on the Internet who think that the bastion
of
separation that they are provided by the Internet allows them to
speak any
way they wish without consequence. Thank you for bearing out my
supposition
so clearly.

And I have not stated that commenting "every single line of code'
is
necessary. YOU tried to put those words into my mouth. Quite
unsanitary, to
say the least. :) I simply stated that commenting code is a good
business
practice.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.google groups.com...
I didnt call you a cake-hole you idiot, I told you to shut your
cake-hole (your fucking mouth). When you have aquired a lot of
experience (like me) then - AND ONLY THEN - will you be permitted
to
add your opinion.

It is common knowledge that bad programmers leave comments (maybe
not
so common around here - LOL). If you want to add a load of
comments
saying what every single line of your code does thats up to you.
However if you were a real expert you wouldnt need to.

Master Programmer, long ago I learned never to consider myself an
'expert'.
The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I live with the
knowledge
that I am never going to 'know it all'. And yet, I am good with
that. If you
need the security blanket of the Internet to pound your chest and
tell the
world that you are better than anyone else, just remember... an
'ex' is a
has been... and a 'spert' is a drip under pressure!

[Bruce W. Darby]

DOH!!! Uh... yeah.... hehehehe.... egg on me face.... :)

"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:fu******************************@comcast.com. ..

She? Never assume. :-)

You're right that I said I'm flexible. I have no control
over whether VB is going away, but if it does, I'll adapt.

Robin S.
--------------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kr****@comcast.netwrote in message
news:HJ******************************@comcast.com. ..

>No, she said she's flexible. :)

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...

>>Hey Aaaron

Check this out ! RobinS has finally admitted that VB is going to be
history.

Steve

RobinS wrote:
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@79g2000cws.google groups.com...
' Say good by to the apostrophe

// because it's forward slash's for you all soon.

The Grand Master
VB 6.0 Jihad - Fight for your history and future
//I can deal with that.
//I'm *flexible*.

Robin S.

[Master Programmer]

Look, I did not mean to start some kind argument. I was just trying to
point out that if you reply to these people that gives them what they
want.

S Verity

Bruce W. Darby wrote:

Miss, or Ms,. Verity,

So you think I'm immature? My apologies, but Master Programmer, and Aaron
Kempf as well, have been getting posts from more folk than myself. Some very
good and well thought out posts as well. If I am immature to respond to a
person who is using profanity and degrading me as a human being, then so be
it. If you wish to just stick your head in the sand and hope that he will
just 'go away', then you are the immature one. He was here long before I
started posting here and he'll most likely be here long after I'm gone, from
the sound of things. I have done the 'right' mature thing and blocked any
messages from him from my newsreader. I do thank you for your response to
me, but you come across as a heavy-handed 'do what I say, not what I do'
type. If I am off-base on this, then I do submit my most abject apologies.
But before you start calling folks pathetic, think of what the reaction will
be to how YOU are perceived from your post.

<ve**********@yahoo.com.auwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...

You are just as immature and pathetic as Master Programmer. The only
reason he is still here is because he keeps getting a response from you
- and you always reply. I think you should both grow up.

S Verity

Bruce W. Darby wrote:

So you admit that you cannot respond to a simple comment with anything
less
than complete and utter filth. A programmer of many years, such as you
claim
to be, is an educated individual who would not NEED to use such filth to
get
his point across. The only time I have seen the use of such language is
from
uneducated, young trolls on the Internet who think that the bastion of
separation that they are provided by the Internet allows them to speak
any
way they wish without consequence. Thank you for bearing out my
supposition
so clearly.

And I have not stated that commenting "every single line of code' is
necessary. YOU tried to put those words into my mouth. Quite unsanitary,
to
say the least. :) I simply stated that commenting code is a good business
practice.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
I didnt call you a cake-hole you idiot, I told you to shut your
cake-hole (your fucking mouth). When you have aquired a lot of
experience (like me) then - AND ONLY THEN - will you be permitted to
add your opinion.

It is common knowledge that bad programmers leave comments (maybe not
so common around here - LOL). If you want to add a load of comments
saying what every single line of your code does thats up to you.
However if you were a real expert you wouldnt need to.

Master Programmer, long ago I learned never to consider myself an
'expert'.
The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I live with the
knowledge
that I am never going to 'know it all'. And yet, I am good with that. If
you
need the security blanket of the Internet to pound your chest and tell
the
world that you are better than anyone else, just remember... an 'ex' is a
has been... and a 'spert' is a drip under pressure!

[Master Programmer]

Damn, I forgot to sign in as Sue Verity, I will need retire Sue and get
another new alias now that I have blown my cover. I will make a note
for my new alias to give Bruce Darby a lot of help in the future - LOL,
he needs it.

The Grand Master
Master Programmer wrote:

Look, I did not mean to start some kind argument. I was just trying to
point out that if you reply to these people that gives them what they
want.

S Verity

Bruce W. Darby wrote:

Miss, or Ms,. Verity,

So you think I'm immature? My apologies, but Master Programmer, and Aaron
Kempf as well, have been getting posts from more folk than myself. Some very
good and well thought out posts as well. If I am immature to respond to a
person who is using profanity and degrading me as a human being, then so be
it. If you wish to just stick your head in the sand and hope that he will
just 'go away', then you are the immature one. He was here long before I
started posting here and he'll most likely be here long after I'm gone, from
the sound of things. I have done the 'right' mature thing and blocked any
messages from him from my newsreader. I do thank you for your response to
me, but you come across as a heavy-handed 'do what I say, not what I do'
type. If I am off-base on this, then I do submit my most abject apologies.
But before you start calling folks pathetic, think of what the reaction will
be to how YOU are perceived from your post.

<ve**********@yahoo.com.auwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...

You are just as immature and pathetic as Master Programmer. The only
reason he is still here is because he keeps getting a response from you
- and you always reply. I think you should both grow up.
>
S Verity
>
Bruce W. Darby wrote:
>So you admit that you cannot respond to a simple comment with anything
>less
>than complete and utter filth. A programmer of many years, such as you
>claim
>to be, is an educated individual who would not NEED to use such filth to
>get
>his point across. The only time I have seen the use of such language is
>from
>uneducated, young trolls on the Internet who think that the bastion of
>separation that they are provided by the Internet allows them to speak
>any
>way they wish without consequence. Thank you for bearing out my
>supposition
>so clearly.
>>
>And I have not stated that commenting "every single line of code' is
>necessary. YOU tried to put those words into my mouth. Quite unsanitary,
>to
>say the least. :) I simply stated that commenting code is a good business
>practice.
>>
>"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...
>I didnt call you a cake-hole you idiot, I told you to shut your
cake-hole (your fucking mouth). When you have aquired a lot of
experience (like me) then - AND ONLY THEN - will you be permitted to
add your opinion.
>
It is common knowledge that bad programmers leave comments (maybe not
so common around here - LOL). If you want to add a load of comments
saying what every single line of your code does thats up to you.
However if you were a real expert you wouldnt need to.
>>
>Master Programmer, long ago I learned never to consider myself an
>'expert'.
>The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I live with the
>knowledge
>that I am never going to 'know it all'. And yet, I am good with that. If
>you
>need the security blanket of the Internet to pound your chest and tell
>the
>world that you are better than anyone else, just remember... an 'ex' is a
>has been... and a 'spert' is a drip under pressure!
>

[Michael C]

"RobinS" <Ro****@NoSpam.yah.nonewrote in message
news:SY******************************@comcast.com. ..

>I don't agree. I've written some really complicated programs
with complex statistical calculations, and I always put
in comments, if not for the poor guy who comes after me, then
for me 6 months later when I'm no longer working on it, and I
have to go back and fix it. It's been 2 years since I left
that software behind, and I still get e-mails thanking me for
documenting my code so well.

The "grand master" is clearly trolling, ignore it.

Michael

[Master Programmer]

Fuck you shit-boy, Trolls lie - I speak the truth, VB 6.0 programmers
turn out software quickly - VB.NET programmers like to play around with
the "framework" (sic) and have to write twice the code to make slower
programs than ever.
The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

Michael C wrote:

The "grand master" is clearly trolling, ignore it.

Michael

[Master Programmer]

Take that plumb out of your mouth when you are talking to us
butt-fuck.The "establishment" no longer exists unless you are part of
the british royal family, so learn to speak modern english properly,
you sound as if you swallowed an old Edgar Allan Poe novel.

The Grand Master

Bruce W. Darby wrote:

Miss, or Ms,. Verity,

So you think I'm immature? My apologies, but Master Programmer, and Aaron
Kempf as well, have been getting posts from more folk than myself. Some very
good and well thought out posts as well. If I am immature to respond to a
person who is using profanity and degrading me as a human being, then so be
it. If you wish to just stick your head in the sand and hope that he will
just 'go away', then you are the immature one. He was here long before I
started posting here and he'll most likely be here long after I'm gone, from
the sound of things. I have done the 'right' mature thing and blocked any
messages from him from my newsreader. I do thank you for your response to
me, but you come across as a heavy-handed 'do what I say, not what I do'
type. If I am off-base on this, then I do submit my most abject apologies.
But before you start calling folks pathetic, think of what the reaction will
be to how YOU are perceived from your post.

<ve**********@yahoo.com.auwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...

You are just as immature and pathetic as Master Programmer. The only
reason he is still here is because he keeps getting a response from you
- and you always reply. I think you should both grow up.

S Verity

Bruce W. Darby wrote:

So you admit that you cannot respond to a simple comment with anything
less
than complete and utter filth. A programmer of many years, such as you
claim
to be, is an educated individual who would not NEED to use such filth to
get
his point across. The only time I have seen the use of such language is
from
uneducated, young trolls on the Internet who think that the bastion of
separation that they are provided by the Internet allows them to speak
any
way they wish without consequence. Thank you for bearing out my
supposition
so clearly.

And I have not stated that commenting "every single line of code' is
necessary. YOU tried to put those words into my mouth. Quite unsanitary,
to
say the least. :) I simply stated that commenting code is a good business
practice.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
I didnt call you a cake-hole you idiot, I told you to shut your
cake-hole (your fucking mouth). When you have aquired a lot of
experience (like me) then - AND ONLY THEN - will you be permitted to
add your opinion.

It is common knowledge that bad programmers leave comments (maybe not
so common around here - LOL). If you want to add a load of comments
saying what every single line of your code does thats up to you.
However if you were a real expert you wouldnt need to.

Master Programmer, long ago I learned never to consider myself an
'expert'.
The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I live with the
knowledge
that I am never going to 'know it all'. And yet, I am good with that. If
you
need the security blanket of the Internet to pound your chest and tell
the
world that you are better than anyone else, just remember... an 'ex' is a
has been... and a 'spert' is a drip under pressure!

[aaron.kempf]

bruce

bull fucking shit I call absolute hogwash on your ass

what interface are you using??

google? well yeah; maybe the most popular post-- the first one to show
up-- was one from the public.languages.dotnet.vb newsgroup

what a stupid fuckign name though.

it's just reflective; people come to microsoft.public.vb and think 'oh
shit ms killed vb'
it's just reflective; people come to microsoft.com/vb and think 'oh
shit ms killed vb'
Bruce W. Darby wrote:

it doesn't mean that other people don't have a problem finding it.

Aaron,

Wasn't hard to find at all. Went to my newsreader and typed 'vb' into the
search box. came right up with any group that had vb in the title.
Highlighted the group and then clicked on the GoTo button and here I am. :)

[The Grim Reaper]

I think you're missing the entire point here.

It being that everyone agrees that you're an arrogant twat.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...

Fuck you shit-boy, Trolls lie - I speak the truth, VB 6.0 programmers
turn out software quickly - VB.NET programmers like to play around with
the "framework" (sic) and have to write twice the code to make slower
programs than ever.
The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

Michael C wrote:

>The "grand master" is clearly trolling, ignore it.

Michael

[aaron.kempf]

Robin

I disagree.

'we must not write anything complicated'

what because we don't use classes and comments?

OOP makes things slower; Comments make things HARDER TO READ.

i think that MS should make a toggle switch in VS that hides comments;
then we could turn them off.. as it is they're just in the way

I mean.. someone builds a dataset; loops through and does something; is
it really that damn complex?

all of the complexity of all of my apps-- it lives on the database
side-- which coincidentally-- automagically REMOVES COMMENTS FOR ME.

-Aaron
RobinS wrote:

All I have to say is this: you must not write anything
very complicated.

Robin S.
--------------------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...

I'm fairly new to programing, though I have been in the computer industry

That shows. Go off and spend a few years learning how to program then
come back with some useful comments. In the meantime shut your
cake-hole.

No-one wants to read a load of boring comments saying exactly what to
do with a piece of code. If the code is written properly then there
should not be any need to add "one single comment". Good code is easy
to read - bad code needs comments - end of story. Any statement to the
contrary is absolutly incorrect.

I find it disturbing that the language EVEN PERMITS you to add
comments. That is a feature that should be removed, thereby forcing
people to program properly, instead of being lazy-idle shites that
think they can add a bit of text to mask their inadequate skills.

The Grand Master

[RobinS]

Hey, I don't think that's appropriate. You're insulting twats.

Robin S.
---------------------
"The Grim Reaper" <do********@Idontwanttoknow.comwrote in message
news:2v*********************@bt.com...

>I think you're missing the entire point here.

It being that everyone agrees that you're an arrogant twat.

"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...

>Fuck you shit-boy, Trolls lie - I speak the truth, VB 6.0
programmers
turn out software quickly - VB.NET programmers like to play around
with
the "framework" (sic) and have to write twice the code to make slower
programs than ever.
The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

Michael C wrote:

>>The "grand master" is clearly trolling, ignore it.

Michael

[RobinS]

I didn't say anything about classes. I have a lot of programs
that don't access the database, with a lot of complicated
business logic behind them. Since I *know* programmers will
only read external documentation if they can't hunt me down
(even if I've left the company), at least putting comments
in the code gives them some direction.

For example, in one program with tons of statistical
calculations, I explain the arguments for calling an
external program to use the Fisher's Exact test to
calculate a probability. I put in a comment explaining
what the arguments mean, in case they get it in their
head to change it. It took me what seemed like *forever*
to get it to work right the first time, and I'm
just trying to spare them the same pain. Otherwise,
they'd have to go find a statistician (like I did).

But you're right, if you're just reading through a database
table and doing something with the data, unless it's extraordinary,
no comments are required.

A toggle switch is a great idea, by the way. In my VB2005
code, if I want to put in a block of comments, I put them
in a Region, and then it can be closed and opened as needed.

Robin S.
-------------------------

<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Robin

I disagree.

'we must not write anything complicated'

what because we don't use classes and comments?

OOP makes things slower; Comments make things HARDER TO READ.

i think that MS should make a toggle switch in VS that hides comments;
then we could turn them off.. as it is they're just in the way

I mean.. someone builds a dataset; loops through and does something;
is
it really that damn complex?

all of the complexity of all of my apps-- it lives on the database
side-- which coincidentally-- automagically REMOVES COMMENTS FOR ME.

-Aaron
RobinS wrote:

>All I have to say is this: you must not write anything
very complicated.

Robin S.
--------------------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@73g2000cwn.googlegr oups.com...

>I'm fairly new to programing, though I have been in the computer
industry

That shows. Go off and spend a few years learning how to program
then
come back with some useful comments. In the meantime shut your
cake-hole.

No-one wants to read a load of boring comments saying exactly what
to
do with a piece of code. If the code is written properly then
there
should not be any need to add "one single comment". Good code is
easy
to read - bad code needs comments - end of story. Any statement to
the
contrary is absolutly incorrect.

I find it disturbing that the language EVEN PERMITS you to add
comments. That is a feature that should be removed, thereby forcing
people to program properly, instead of being lazy-idle shites that
think they can add a bit of text to mask their inadequate skills.

The Grand Master

[aaron.kempf]

stats aren't that fucking complex

use analysis services instead of re-inventing the wheel

if you don't know MDX you're not qualifed to touch a database anymore

-Aaron

RobinS wrote:

I didn't say anything about classes. I have a lot of programs
that don't access the database, with a lot of complicated
business logic behind them. Since I *know* programmers will
only read external documentation if they can't hunt me down
(even if I've left the company), at least putting comments
in the code gives them some direction.

For example, in one program with tons of statistical
calculations, I explain the arguments for calling an
external program to use the Fisher's Exact test to
calculate a probability. I put in a comment explaining
what the arguments mean, in case they get it in their
head to change it. It took me what seemed like *forever*
to get it to work right the first time, and I'm
just trying to spare them the same pain. Otherwise,
they'd have to go find a statistician (like I did).

But you're right, if you're just reading through a database
table and doing something with the data, unless it's extraordinary,
no comments are required.

A toggle switch is a great idea, by the way. In my VB2005
code, if I want to put in a block of comments, I put them
in a Region, and then it can be closed and opened as needed.

Robin S.
-------------------------

<aa*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Robin

I disagree.

'we must not write anything complicated'

what because we don't use classes and comments?

OOP makes things slower; Comments make things HARDER TO READ.

i think that MS should make a toggle switch in VS that hides comments;
then we could turn them off.. as it is they're just in the way

I mean.. someone builds a dataset; loops through and does something;
is
it really that damn complex?

all of the complexity of all of my apps-- it lives on the database
side-- which coincidentally-- automagically REMOVES COMMENTS FOR ME.

-Aaron
RobinS wrote:

All I have to say is this: you must not write anything
very complicated.

Robin S.
--------------------------------------------
"Master Programmer" <ma***************@outgun.comwrote in message
news:11**********************@73g2000cwn.googlegro ups.com...
I'm fairly new to programing, though I have been in the computer
industry

That shows. Go off and spend a few years learning how to program
then
come back with some useful comments. In the meantime shut your
cake-hole.

No-one wants to read a load of boring comments saying exactly what
to
do with a piece of code. If the code is written properly then
there
should not be any need to add "one single comment". Good code is
easy
to read - bad code needs comments - end of story. Any statement to
the
contrary is absolutly incorrect.

I find it disturbing that the language EVEN PERMITS you to add
comments. That is a feature that should be removed, thereby forcing
people to program properly, instead of being lazy-idle shites that
think they can add a bit of text to mask their inadequate skills.

The Grand Master