Is microsoft awaring VB.Net too hard to maintain?

[mentochan]

It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for them as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...

It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

<me*******@gmail.comschrieb:

It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

No, because it's not true...

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Mento]

Thanks Cor, thanks Herfried.

Nice to hear that :)

[Patrice]

I've just seen personal opinions such as :

"There is no need for another language and developing VB.NET took resources
away from developing the framework. The framework library shows signs of
poor design and cut corners and I think that if Microsoft hadn't diverted
its resources towards VB.NET then the framework library would have been much
better."

(quoted from http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vbpetition.htm)

I wouldn't worry much about this...

--
Patrice

<me*******@gmail.coma écrit dans le message de news:
11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.c om...

It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Dennis]

I suspect that with 30 billion in cash even after the 3 dlr per share special
dividend and earnings increasing 10 to 15% each year that M'soft has the
resources to develop both VB.Net and FrameWork.
--
Dennis in Houston
"Patrice" wrote:

I've just seen personal opinions such as :

"There is no need for another language and developing VB.NET took resources
away from developing the framework. The framework library shows signs of
poor design and cut corners and I think that if Microsoft hadn't diverted
its resources towards VB.NET then the framework library would have been much
better."

(quoted from http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vbpetition.htm)

I wouldn't worry much about this...

--
Patrice

<me*******@gmail.coma écrit dans le message de news:
11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.c om...

It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Patrice" <sc****@chez.comschrieb:

I've just seen personal opinions such as :

"There is no need for another language and developing VB.NET took
resources away from developing the framework. The framework library shows
signs of poor design and cut corners and I think that if Microsoft hadn't
diverted its resources towards VB.NET then the framework library would
have been much better."

(quoted from http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vbpetition.htm)

Microsoft doesn't sell the .NET Framework, it sells IDEs. I doubt that many
former VB6 users would have migrated to a Microsoft IDE at all if there was
not VB.NET.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Kevin]

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for them as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia ago.

:-)

Cor

>
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for them
as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...

>>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Kevin]

I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Kevin,

>Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia ago.

:-)

Cor

>>
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>>Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for them
as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.google groups.com...
It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Smokey Grindle]

VB.NET can do a read only property....

Public ReadOnly Property MyPropName as Type
Get
return MyValue
End Get
End Property
"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comwrote in message
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...

I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>Kevin,

>>Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor

>>>
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
them
as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?
>

[Smokey Grindle]

well the person who wrote that petition needs to get their mind out of the
past and learn true OOP... VB6 was HORRIBLE compared to the OOP C# and
VB.NET brings... and because of them that stupid My namespace was included
in VB2005 (ok some of it is nice, but default instances? please.... get rid
of that junk)
"Patrice" <sc****@chez.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

I've just seen personal opinions such as :

"There is no need for another language and developing VB.NET took
resources away from developing the framework. The framework library shows
signs of poor design and cut corners and I think that if Microsoft hadn't
diverted its resources towards VB.NET then the framework library would
have been much better."

(quoted from http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vbpetition.htm)

I wouldn't worry much about this...

--
Patrice

<me*******@gmail.coma écrit dans le message de news:
11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.c om...

>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Göran Andersson]

I would say that VB.NET and C# is about equal when it comes to OOP.

My opinion is that C# feels more object oriented, but that is only
because the syntax in VB.NET is somewhat awkward. C# was designed for
OOP from the ground up, but with VB.NET it was added into a procedural
language.

Old C rules does not apply to OOP, as C is not object oriented. :)

Cor Ligthert [MVP] wrote:

Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for them as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...

>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Kevin,

On our website is a lot of code and not one piece C# (although we are able
to that)

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx

I don't know how old you are and know that the USA has strict laws. If you
are old enoug, did you real never drink Heineken. Than you are probably one
of the last mans on the world who did not.

:-)

Cor

"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comschreef in bericht
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...

I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>Kevin,

>>Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor

>>>
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
them
as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?
>

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Kevin,

Completely of thread but whatever, at the moment I don't drink beer anymore
but from my history about beer.

I like American beer as Budweiser and Miller. However if you once have the
chance than go to Czech.

There you can drink Urquel and real Budweiser from draft, than you are
talking about no other beer anymore. (The bottles with those don't reach in
my opinon not in any way the taste from draft in Czech what has by other
beers not so much difference). If you don't believe me, ask Herfried, he
lives near Czech.

Cor
"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:eV*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Kevin,

On our website is a lot of code and not one piece C# (although we are able
to that)

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx

I don't know how old you are and know that the USA has strict laws. If you
are old enoug, did you real never drink Heineken. Than you are probably
one of the last mans on the world who did not.

:-)

Cor

"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comschreef in bericht
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...

>I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>>Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the
same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Mentochan,
>
>I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
>newsgroups
>than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
>them
>as
>well OOP.
>
>However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
>(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
>bit
>more than with other languages).
>
>Cor
>
><me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
>news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.goog legroups.com...
>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
>falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't
>think
>it's true.
>Is there any articles talk about this?
>>
>

[Peter Proost]

Also completly, 1000% OT,
but you haven't had a real beer before you have tasted the fine belgian
beers :-)
I've never met a finer beer then a nice belgian beer called "Duvel" or
"Blond Leffe", if you ever get the change taste them.
This weekend I was in Groningen were they served me Grolsch and thought
maybe this will convince me of the good dutch beers but it tasted even worse
than I imagined ;-)
As you may have noticed, we Belgians love our beers but that's only because
they're the best in our opinion and everyone else's who's ever had one :-)
So if you ever get the change, taste one of the 500+ sorts available

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_beer

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:un**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Kevin,

Completely of thread but whatever, at the moment I don't drink beer

anymore

but from my history about beer.

I like American beer as Budweiser and Miller. However if you once have the
chance than go to Czech.

There you can drink Urquel and real Budweiser from draft, than you are
talking about no other beer anymore. (The bottles with those don't reach

in

my opinon not in any way the taste from draft in Czech what has by other
beers not so much difference). If you don't believe me, ask Herfried, he
lives near Czech.

Cor
"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:eV*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Kevin,

On our website is a lot of code and not one piece C# (although we are

able

to that)

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx

I don't know how old you are and know that the USA has strict laws. If

you

are old enoug, did you real never drink Heineken. Than you are probably
one of the last mans on the world who did not.

:-)

Cor

"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comschreef in bericht
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...

I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I

will

>>continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C#

2005

>>more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the
same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming

the

>>>>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
them
as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a

little

>>>>bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't
think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?
>

[Aristotelis Pitaridis]

I think that microsoft made a big mistake by developing the C#. VB.NET is a
new language comparing it with VB6. Microsoft could make more changes in
order to make it a real Object Oriented Language (I beleve that it is, but
some of you does not belebve it). The result of all this is that there are
two big group of programmers, some of them use VB.NET and some others use
C#. Now if someone needs a pice of code in VB.NET he might have to translate
an existing program from C# and vice versa. For them who beleve that VB.NET
is not an Object Oriented Language, I thing that they have developed all
their projects in C#, and they do not have any idea what VB.NET is.

Aristotelis

Ï "Smokey Grindle" <no****@dontspamme.comÝãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
news:Og**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>
VB.NET can do a read only property....

Public ReadOnly Property MyPropName as Type
Get
return MyValue
End Get
End Property
"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comwrote in message
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...

>I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>>Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the
same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Mentochan,
>
>I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
>newsgroups
>than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
>them
>as
>well OOP.
>
>However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
>(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
>bit
>more than with other languages).
>
>Cor
>
><me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
>news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.goog legroups.com...
>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
>falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't
>think
>it's true.
>Is there any articles talk about this?
>>
>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Smokey Grindle" <no****@dontspamme.comschrieb:

well the person who wrote that petition needs to get their mind out of the
past and learn true OOP... VB6 was HORRIBLE compared to the OOP C# and
VB.NET brings... and because of them that stupid My namespace was included
in VB2005 (ok some of it is nice, but default instances? please.... get
rid of that junk)

Well, it's pretty obvious that you didn't undestand the goals of the
petition.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comschrieb:

My opinion is that C# feels more object oriented, but that is only because
the syntax in VB.NET is somewhat awkward.

Interface implementation based on identifier equality feels more
object-oriented than declarative interface implementation?

C# was designed for OOP from the ground up, but with VB.NET
it was added into a procedural language.

Well, as a result VB.NET is more flexible than C# :-).

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Peter,

Was you ever in Tjechy. If you were not there you cannot talk about beer.

I once drunk I thought as well in Groningen in a bar a lot of that beer with
that woman's name.
The next day I had an headage I never had before from beer. It could have
been me but in that time it was containing a lot of sulphite. Therefore I
like Heineken it has 0% sulphite.

I have too drunk once some Belgian dark beers. I could not drink them, is
was as English Bitter and decoded never to drink any Belgian beer any more.
It was not Suske. That decision has changed.

Nevertheless, there are very good Belgians beers, but you surely have once
to go to Tjechy and drink from draft (not bottle) to be able to judge.

:-)

Cor

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comschreef in bericht
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Also completly, 1000% OT,
but you haven't had a real beer before you have tasted the fine belgian
beers :-)
I've never met a finer beer then a nice belgian beer called "Duvel" or
"Blond Leffe", if you ever get the change taste them.
This weekend I was in Groningen were they served me Grolsch and thought
maybe this will convince me of the good dutch beers but it tasted even
worse
than I imagined ;-)
As you may have noticed, we Belgians love our beers but that's only
because
they're the best in our opinion and everyone else's who's ever had one :-)
So if you ever get the change, taste one of the 500+ sorts available

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_beer

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:un**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>Kevin,

Completely of thread but whatever, at the moment I don't drink beer

anymore

>but from my history about beer.

I like American beer as Budweiser and Miller. However if you once have
the
chance than go to Czech.

There you can drink Urquel and real Budweiser from draft, than you are
talking about no other beer anymore. (The bottles with those don't reach

in

>my opinon not in any way the taste from draft in Czech what has by other
beers not so much difference). If you don't believe me, ask Herfried, he
lives near Czech.

Cor
"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:eV*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Kevin,

On our website is a lot of code and not one piece C# (although we are

able

to that)

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx

I don't know how old you are and know that the USA has strict laws. If

you

are old enoug, did you real never drink Heineken. Than you are probably
one of the last mans on the world who did not.

:-)

Cor

"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comschreef in bericht
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...
I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written
in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I

will

>>>continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C#

2005

>>>more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the
same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some
decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Mentochan,
>
>I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
>newsgroups
>than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming

the

>>>>>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
>them
>as
>well OOP.
>
>However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
>(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a

little

>>>>>bit
>more than with other languages).
>
>Cor
>
><me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
>news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.goog legroups.com...
>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
>falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't
>think
>it's true.
>Is there any articles talk about this?
>>
>

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

>

Well, it's pretty obvious that you didn't undestand the goals of the
petition.

What at least me does not agree with you, reading the message I did
completely agree with it, while thinking that Herfried would do that as
well.

Cor

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Peter Proost]

Not wanting to start a beer thread but you shouldn't drink dark belgian
beers, as always it are the blondes who are the best ;-) lol

Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:u#**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Peter,

Was you ever in Tjechy. If you were not there you cannot talk about beer.

I once drunk I thought as well in Groningen in a bar a lot of that beer

with

that woman's name.
The next day I had an headage I never had before from beer. It could have
been me but in that time it was containing a lot of sulphite. Therefore I
like Heineken it has 0% sulphite.

I have too drunk once some Belgian dark beers. I could not drink them, is
was as English Bitter and decoded never to drink any Belgian beer any

more.

It was not Suske. That decision has changed.

Nevertheless, there are very good Belgians beers, but you surely have once
to go to Tjechy and drink from draft (not bottle) to be able to judge.

:-)

Cor

"Peter Proost" <pp*****@nospam.hotmail.comschreef in bericht
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Also completly, 1000% OT,
but you haven't had a real beer before you have tasted the fine belgian
beers :-)
I've never met a finer beer then a nice belgian beer called "Duvel" or
"Blond Leffe", if you ever get the change taste them.
This weekend I was in Groningen were they served me Grolsch and thought
maybe this will convince me of the good dutch beers but it tasted even
worse
than I imagined ;-)
As you may have noticed, we Belgians love our beers but that's only
because
they're the best in our opinion and everyone else's who's ever had one

:-)

So if you ever get the change, taste one of the 500+ sorts available

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_beer

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to

produce

bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:un**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Kevin,

Completely of thread but whatever, at the moment I don't drink beer

anymore

but from my history about beer.

I like American beer as Budweiser and Miller. However if you once have
the
chance than go to Czech.

There you can drink Urquel and real Budweiser from draft, than you are
talking about no other beer anymore. (The bottles with those don't

reach

in

my opinon not in any way the taste from draft in Czech what has by

other

beers not so much difference). If you don't believe me, ask Herfried,

he

lives near Czech.

Cor
"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:eV*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Kevin,

On our website is a lot of code and not one piece C# (although we are

able

to that)

http://www.vb-tips.com/default.aspx

I don't know how old you are and know that the USA has strict laws.

If

you

are old enoug, did you real never drink Heineken. Than you are

probably

one of the last mans on the world who did not.

:-)

Cor

"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comschreef in bericht
news:lp********************************@4ax.com...
I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had

a

lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying

to

create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both

and

tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the

two.

In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB

won't

let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written
in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I

will

>>continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net

(unsafe

>>code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C#

2005

>>more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something

the

>>same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some
decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming

the

>>>>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are

for

>>>>them
as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a

little

>>>>bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googl egroups.com...
It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't
think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?
>

[Kevin]

I meant the property name is "ReadOnly" - not a read only property.
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:33:37 -0400, "Smokey Grindle"
<no****@dontspamme.comwrote:

>VB.NET can do a read only property....

Public ReadOnly Property MyPropName as Type
Get
return MyValue
End Get
End Property
"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comwrote in message
news:lp********************************@4ax.com.. .

>I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>>Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.

I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C# 2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Mentochan,
>
>I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
>newsgroups
>than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
>them
>as
>well OOP.
>
>However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
>(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
>bit
>more than with other languages).
>
>Cor
>
><me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
>news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.goog legroups.com...
>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
>falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
>it's true.
>Is there any articles talk about this?
>>
>

[Jim Wooley]

To use a keyword as a property in VB, enclose it in brackets as follows:

Public Property [ReadOnly]() As String

Actually, you can do the following (although I would not recommend it for
maintainablity):
Public Readonly Property [ReadOnly()] as String

Jim Wooley
http://devauthority.com/blogs/jwooley/default.aspx

I meant the property name is "ReadOnly" - not a read only property.

[Göran Andersson]

Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote:

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comschrieb:

>My opinion is that C# feels more object oriented, but that is only
because the syntax in VB.NET is somewhat awkward.

Interface implementation based on identifier equality feels more
object-oriented than declarative interface implementation?

What do you mean? Do you mean the difference between implicit and
explicit implementations?

public void Dispose() {}

vs.

public void IDisposable.Dispose() {}

C# supports both, doesn't VB?

>C# was designed for OOP from the ground up, but with VB.NET
it was added into a procedural language.

Well, as a result VB.NET is more flexible than C# :-).

How would that make it more flexible?

[Jim Wooley]

I suppose the issue with interface implementation is that you can do the
following in VB but not in C#:

public sub SoYouWantToDisposeMe() implements IDisposable.Dispose

In order to allow the above in VB, it is not good enough to say:
public sub Dispose()

You have to explicitly state which method implements which portion of the
interface.
Jim Wooley
http://devauthority.com/blogs/jwooley/default.aspx

Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote:

>"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comschrieb:

>>My opinion is that C# feels more object oriented, but that is only
because the syntax in VB.NET is somewhat awkward.

Interface implementation based on identifier equality feels more
object-oriented than declarative interface implementation?

What do you mean? Do you mean the difference between implicit and
explicit implementations?

public void Dispose() {}

vs.

public void IDisposable.Dispose() {}

C# supports both, doesn't VB?

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Jim Wooley" <ji*************@hotmail.comschrieb:

>I suppose the issue with interface implementation is that you can do the
following in VB but not in C#:

public sub SoYouWantToDisposeMe() implements IDisposable.Dispose

That's exactly what I mean. In C# one has to guess that a member implements
a certain method of an interface whereas it's not necessary to lookup the
interface's member in VB.NET in order to understand the source code.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Göran Andersson]

Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote:

"Jim Wooley" <ji*************@hotmail.comschrieb:

>I suppose the issue with interface implementation is that you can do
the following in VB but not in C#:

public sub SoYouWantToDisposeMe() implements IDisposable.Dispose

That's exactly what I mean. In C# one has to guess that a member
implements a certain method of an interface whereas it's not necessary
to lookup the interface's member in VB.NET in order to understand the
source code.

That is easily remedied by placing them in a region:

#region IDisposable members

public override void Dispose() {
....
}

#endregion

Clear as day. :)
If you let Visual Studio (2005) create the stubs for the implementation,
it places them in a region like this.

[Kevin]

Thanks Jim. That's what I was looking for.
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:08:46 -0700, Jim Wooley
<ji*************@hotmail.comwrote:

>To use a keyword as a property in VB, enclose it in brackets as follows:

Public Property [ReadOnly]() As String

Actually, you can do the following (although I would not recommend it for
maintainablity):
Public Readonly Property [ReadOnly()] as String

Jim Wooley
http://devauthority.com/blogs/jwooley/default.aspx

>I meant the property name is "ReadOnly" - not a read only property.

[Michael D. Ober]

In this particular case, VB has it right. The "implements" clause on the
event procedure makes the language more readable. On the other hand,
iterators are far more difficult in VB than in C#. VB doesn't have the
"yield" statement.

Mike Ober.

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comwrote in message
news:uX**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

Herfried K. Wagner [MVP] wrote:

"Jim Wooley" <ji*************@hotmail.comschrieb:

I suppose the issue with interface implementation is that you can do
the following in VB but not in C#:

public sub SoYouWantToDisposeMe() implements IDisposable.Dispose

That's exactly what I mean. In C# one has to guess that a member
implements a certain method of an interface whereas it's not necessary
to lookup the interface's member in VB.NET in order to understand the
source code.

That is easily remedied by placing them in a region:

#region IDisposable members

public override void Dispose() {
...
}

#endregion

Clear as day. :)
If you let Visual Studio (2005) create the stubs for the implementation,
it places them in a region like this.

[Theo Verweij]

There are also things you cannot do in C# that yo can do in VB.
These are language specific features, and these are chosen and developed
by the language teams. Example of these things are the My keyword in VB,
optional parameters in VB and shared classes in vb (called modules).
These things are not available in C#.

Kevin wrote:

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these newsgroups
than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more converming the
rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for them as
well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little bit
more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

>>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?

[Theo Verweij]

Can anyone give an example where you can point out that VB2005 isn't
object oriented?

Aristotelis Pitaridis wrote:

I think that microsoft made a big mistake by developing the C#. VB.NET is a
new language comparing it with VB6. Microsoft could make more changes in
order to make it a real Object Oriented Language (I beleve that it is, but
some of you does not belebve it). The result of all this is that there are
two big group of programmers, some of them use VB.NET and some others use
C#. Now if someone needs a pice of code in VB.NET he might have to translate
an existing program from C# and vice versa. For them who beleve that VB.NET
is not an Object Oriented Language, I thing that they have developed all
their projects in C#, and they do not have any idea what VB.NET is.

Aristotelis

Ï "Smokey Grindle" <no****@dontspamme.comÝãñáøå óôïìÞíõìá
news:Og**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>VB.NET can do a read only property....

Public ReadOnly Property MyPropName as Type
Get
return MyValue
End Get
End Property
"Kevin" <ke****@cfl.rr.comwrote in message
news:lp********************************@4ax.com.. .

>>I'm just now making the switch from VB6 to VB2005, so I haven't had a
lot of experience with it. I've found one thing so far when trying to
create a custom class from a Combobox. I found sample code on both and
tried making the methods and properties I wanted from between the two.
In C# you can create a ReadOnly property for a Combobox while VB won't
let you use the Keyword.

I never had Dutch beer. Is it better than American beer?
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:55:47 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

Kevin,

Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.
>
I think that you have to wait until those 6 million are over.

There is very few to what you can do more in C# than in VB.Net (unsafe
code).

For the rest I am curious what you have found what can be done in C#2005
more than in VB.Net.

The same is for C# which can almost completely use the Visual Basic
namespace.

However I real C# programmer would not do that, I think something the
same
as a real Englishman would not drink Dutch or Belgium beer some decenia
ago.

:-)

Cor

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:
>
>Mentochan,
>>
>I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
>newsgroups
>than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more convermingthe
>rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C rules are for
>them
>as
>well OOP.
>>
>However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
>(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a little
>bit
>more than with other languages).
>>
>Cor
>>
><me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
>news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.goog legroups.com...
>>It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
>>falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't
>>think
>>it's true.
>>Is there any articles talk about this?
>>>

[Göran Andersson]

Still, those are just tools, they don't limit what you can do with the
languages, only how you can do it.

Theo Verweij wrote:

There are also things you cannot do in C# that yo can do in VB.
These are language specific features, and these are chosen and developed
by the language teams. Example of these things are the My keyword in VB,
optional parameters in VB and shared classes in vb (called modules).
These things are not available in C#.

Kevin wrote:

>Why then is most of the sample code I find on the Internet written in
C#? I've found that some things done in C# can't be done in VB. I will
continue using VB nonetheless.
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:19 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]"
<no************@planet.nlwrote:

>>Mentochan,

I assume that VB Net is more OOP than C++ and C#. As I read these
newsgroups than VB Net programmers become at a certain moment more
converming the rules, while for C++ and C# programmers probably old C
rules are for them as well OOP.

However it is as well usable while ignoring that.
(There are 6 million programmers probably converting you know, a
little bit more than with other languages).

Cor

<me*******@gmail.comschreef in bericht
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googleg roups.com...
It was heard that VB is not fitful for OO programming, and MS is
falling into a hardtime to maintain such product. I myself don't think
it's true.
Is there any articles talk about this?