A co-worker where I work is proposing all future code devopment be done
in Visual C#. Here is his assessment of VB:
VB.NET is hack as far as the CLR(Common Language Runtime) goes. It was
retrofited into the .Net framework for those people who simply don't,
and do not care to, understand object oriented programming. Quite a
few of it's (features) were forced into the language through very ugly
means to make it easier for the VB guys to bring in their code. Things
like "static" veriables and functions are called "shared" in VB.NET,
because the keyword static was already used in VB6. VB.NET is loaded
with these kinds of little idiocies.
Any comment?
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What existing code base and/or skills do you have in your shop ?
As a side note VB.NET is OO though it provides constructs (such as modules)
that are likely here to ease porting from earlier versions, I'm not English
but "shared" seems more meaningfull to me than "static".
He forgot to mention "just becuase I prefer C#" which would be IMO more
honest and professional et this poitn of argumentation. Finally keep in mind
that for .NET the language is just the "glue".
You should find more comprehensive discussions (for example VB.NET better
for late binding, C# better for unsafe code) by Googling...
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Patrice
<za***@construc tion-imaging.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:11******** *************@g 43g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... A co-worker where I work is proposing all future code devopment be done
in Visual C#. Here is his assessment of VB:
VB.NET is hack as far as the CLR(Common Language Runtime) goes. It was
retrofited into the .Net framework for those people who simply don't,
and do not care to, understand object oriented programming. Quite a
few of it's (features) were forced into the language through very ugly
means to make it easier for the VB guys to bring in their code. Things
like "static" veriables and functions are called "shared" in VB.NET,
because the keyword static was already used in VB6. VB.NET is loaded
with these kinds of little idiocies.
Any comment?
VB.Net is a hack then, in much the same way that C# is an attempt by
Microsoft to make language solely intent on attracting Java developers
and selling a concept to early adopters who jump on buzzwords faster
than Steve Ballmer can throw a chair accross a room.
In all seriousness, though, the assessment provided by your coworker
sounds like it is based on little more than personal preference.
Personally, I use and like both. What I use is usually at the request
of a client. Currently, I am working in a full time permanent position
where we primarily use VB.Net, although I am about to start another
part time contract in C#. Both have their pros and cons. But, here
are some reasons why I think VB.Net is better than C# in certain
regards...
It is a lot easier to wire events in VB.Net than it is to set up
delegates in C#.
More advanced Catch syntax. Catch ... When is one of the coolest
things since sliced bread. Seriously. ;-)
C# is way too cast heavy.
C# has a larger following of elitist snobs, which we don't need in the
industry. ;-)
Joseph
Virtually all of our existing code is in VB6, recent code in VB.NET
with a smattering of C#.
Yes, it is obvious that this co-worker prefers C#.
Hi Z,
How about VB is known for being having the most programmers and easiest
most english like syntax of any major programming language. You can
actually show a lot of VB code to a non-programmer and they'll
understand some or all of it if they give it a fair try. If he's your
only programmer and you guys want to keep him and aren't willing to
teach him a better language then I think C# is a fine way to go. As
the years progress the largest talent pool will be more and more VB
only, so that should be considered. VB is clearly the new C++ on the
block.
Cheers,
Christian Blackburn
VB.Net-programming is more vb.NET than VB.net, no matter how
much the programmer loves the functions in the Microsoft.Visua lBasic
namespace as well as the rest of the syntax that was ported from
classic VB.
Most of the time you are using portions of the .Net framework that
have nothing to do with VB anyway. The rest is just syntax.
VB has advantages over C# as well as the other way around.
Does your co-worker like curly braces? Are C#-programmers paid
better? If working with Managed DirectX, go for C#. If writing lots
of COM InterOp code, go for C#. If working with automation, go
for VB. If ...
In the "early" days of VB, it was suggested that VB6 programmers
use C# rather than VB.Net so as not to be confused by the differences
between the languages (16 vs 32-bit Integer, etc) when switching
back and forth. I come from a classic VB background and this was
no issue for me. I moved to VB.Net and such issues never affected
me.
I feel I am more productive using VB.Net and cannot think of many
instances where I would want to use C#. Only when programming
in a problem domain where most of the available documentation and
samples were made for C# do I feel that I bet on the wrong horse.
That feeling usually passes as quickly as it came.
If you are writing new VB.Net code, you can pretty much avoid
most of the "retrofitte d hacks" that were introduced to entice VB6-
developers to switch. And no, I am not talking about the recent
"Rnd vs Random" discussion, but something like "On Error ...".
VB.Net is good. C# is good. There is something called "J#.Net" on
my system. That, on the other hand, I don't know anything about,
so that is probably bad :)
Google: http://www.danappleman.com/index.php?p=27 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000128.html http://www.dotnet247.com/247referenc.../15/78183.aspx
....etc.
Question: I would like to have something like the C# "unsafe"
keyword. Is there an equivalent in VB2005?
/Joergen Bech
On 5 Jan 2006 06:05:22 -0800, za***@construct ion-imaging.com wrote: A co-worker where I work is proposing all future code devopment be done
in Visual C#. Here is his assessment of VB:
VB.NET is hack as far as the CLR(Common Language Runtime) goes. It was
retrofited into the .Net framework for those people who simply don't,
and do not care to, understand object oriented programming. Quite a
few of it's (features) were forced into the language through very ugly
means to make it easier for the VB guys to bring in their code. Things
like "static" veriables and functions are called "shared" in VB.NET,
because the keyword static was already used in VB6. VB.NET is loaded
with these kinds of little idiocies.
Any comment?
You took the words right out of my mouth ;-)
however i have this to add
Anyone who says that one of the languages is more powerfull in the terms of
VB6 vs C++ does not know what he is talking about
I use both C# and VB and just love VB more as Basic is my native tongue :-)
in my opinion VB has one main advantage above C# and that is that it is more
friendlier and thus faster to program with
regards
Michel Posseth [MCP]
"Joseph Ferris" <jo***********@ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** ************@g4 4g2000cwa.googl egroups.com... VB.Net is a hack then, in much the same way that C# is an attempt by
Microsoft to make language solely intent on attracting Java developers
and selling a concept to early adopters who jump on buzzwords faster
than Steve Ballmer can throw a chair accross a room.
In all seriousness, though, the assessment provided by your coworker
sounds like it is based on little more than personal preference.
Personally, I use and like both. What I use is usually at the request
of a client. Currently, I am working in a full time permanent position
where we primarily use VB.Net, although I am about to start another
part time contract in C#. Both have their pros and cons. But, here
are some reasons why I think VB.Net is better than C# in certain
regards...
It is a lot easier to wire events in VB.Net than it is to set up
delegates in C#.
More advanced Catch syntax. Catch ... When is one of the coolest
things since sliced bread. Seriously. ;-)
C# is way too cast heavy.
C# has a larger following of elitist snobs, which we don't need in the
industry. ;-)
Joseph
I think saying that VB was retrofitted to fit into the .NET framework is a
fair point, and so it that a lot of the syntax is clumsy and awkward because
of that. I personally agree with that.
However, as far as every day programming, you will find that VB and C# are
really the same thing. So you use a curly brace here versus an 'End If'
there. So what? Translating from one to the other is trivial in almost all
cases.
If anyone doesn't care or understand OO programming, they are going to have
an equally big problem with both languages. A lot of VB6 programmers come to
VB.NET figuring it's really mostly the same - which it is not. And that's
where the problems come in, because they don't really understand what's
going on, and don't take the time to.
It all comes down to preference and what you are used to working with. The
power is all in the .NET framework, it doesn't matter which language you use
to get your work done.
In any case, if you do a search on Google groups, you will find a bazillion
posts of C# vs VB.
<za***@construc tion-imaging.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 43g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... A co-worker where I work is proposing all future code devopment be done
in Visual C#. Here is his assessment of VB:
VB.NET is hack as far as the CLR(Common Language Runtime) goes. It was
retrofited into the .Net framework for those people who simply don't,
and do not care to, understand object oriented programming. Quite a
few of it's (features) were forced into the language through very ugly
means to make it easier for the VB guys to bring in their code. Things
like "static" veriables and functions are called "shared" in VB.NET,
because the keyword static was already used in VB6. VB.NET is loaded
with these kinds of little idiocies.
Any comment?
<za***@construc tion-imaging.com> schrieb: A co-worker where I work is proposing all future code devopment be done
in Visual C#. Here is his assessment of VB:
VB.NET is hack as far as the CLR(Common Language Runtime) goes. It was
retrofited into the .Net framework for those people who simply don't,
and do not care to, understand object oriented programming. Quite a
few of it's (features) were forced into the language through very ugly
means to make it easier for the VB guys to bring in their code. Things
like "static" veriables and functions are called "shared" in VB.NET,
because the keyword static was already used in VB6. VB.NET is loaded
with these kinds of little idiocies.
It's obvious that your co-worker is totally cueless.
--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>
"Joergen Bech @ post1.tele.dk>" <jbech<NOSPAMNO SPAM> schrieb: In the "early" days of VB, it was suggested that VB6 programmers
use C# rather than VB.Net so as not to be confused by the differences
between the languages (16 vs 32-bit Integer, etc) when switching
back and forth. I come from a classic VB background and this was
no issue for me. I moved to VB.Net and such issues never affected
me.
ACK. Maybe this has been caused by the strong marketing of .NET in
conjunction with the C# programming language, mainly to attract Java
developers which have not already been Microsoft customers. VB programmers
on the other hand already used a Microsoft tool and thus it was not as
important to market VB.NET than it was for C#.
I feel I am more productive using VB.Net and cannot think of many
instances where I would want to use C#. Only when programming
in a problem domain where most of the available documentation and
samples were made for C# do I feel that I bet on the wrong horse.
Yep, same here.
--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
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