OOP: should I learn it?

[johnb41]

I've been spending alot of time learning vb.net the past 6 months (for
regular winform apps. Been somewhat experienced in asp.net for a few
years)

But my style has been using Procedural techniques, rather than OOP.
Lately i've read more and more how OOP is the way to go. So i'm trying
to learn it, and boy is it difficult if you've not worked that way much
before!

I ran into this web site: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
It swears that OOP is over-hyped, and says that Procedural is better.
It has many arguments against OOP.

Do you pros think the info on that site has eny merrit? Or is the
author just trying to get some attention?

Thanks,
John

[Marina]

Everything has its time and place. Knowing all the methodologies will allow
you to choose the right one for a particular project.

"johnb41" <or****@informa tik.com> wrote in message
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I've been spending alot of time learning vb.net the past 6 months (for
regular winform apps. Been somewhat experienced in asp.net for a few
years)

But my style has been using Procedural techniques, rather than OOP.
Lately i've read more and more how OOP is the way to go. So i'm trying
to learn it, and boy is it difficult if you've not worked that way much
before!

I ran into this web site: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
It swears that OOP is over-hyped, and says that Procedural is better.
It has many arguments against OOP.

Do you pros think the info on that site has eny merrit? Or is the
author just trying to get some attention?

Thanks,
John

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"johnb41" <or****@informa tik.com> schrieb:

I've been spending alot of time learning vb.net the past 6 months (for
regular winform apps. Been somewhat experienced in asp.net for a few
years)

But my style has been using Procedural techniques, rather than OOP.
Lately i've read more and more how OOP is the way to go. So i'm trying
to learn it, and boy is it difficult if you've not worked that way much
before!

I would learn OOP although it is a hype and often not the most suitable
tool. OO is an important technique in every programmer's toolbox.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Jerry H.]

Well, like it or not, all modern programs for Windows are going to be
based primarily on OOP. And if you plan to use .NET, everything is
an object!

Here is a decent book that I first read when I worked in Delphi. It
does a decent job of explaining OOP.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...39345?v=glance

[Workgroups]

That guy's a procedural ideologue, I wouldn't give him much credit. When
you see someone using that much rhetoric to make what they claim is a valid
& logical point, that's a bit of a warning sign that their point isn't as
valid or logical as they claim.

I suggest you study OOP then ask yourself which you think is best. You
might actually like OOP once you get to know it.

"johnb41" <or****@informa tik.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g43g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

I ran into this web site: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
It swears that OOP is over-hyped, and says that Procedural is better.
It has many arguments against OOP.

Do you pros think the info on that site has eny merrit? Or is the
author just trying to get some attention?

[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

John,

I would not spent to much time on it.

Just try to avoid:
- modules
- shared classes
- placing your declaration global
- placing your declaration in top of a method
- access to variables in another class others than that there are public
properties for that

You will see that sooner of later you are using OOP

(And buy than a good book or documentation about it how you can improve
that)

Just my thought,

Cor

[Peter van der Goes]

"johnb41" <or****@informa tik.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g43g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

I've been spending alot of time learning vb.net the past 6 months (for
regular winform apps. Been somewhat experienced in asp.net for a few
years)

But my style has been using Procedural techniques, rather than OOP.
Lately i've read more and more how OOP is the way to go. So i'm trying
to learn it, and boy is it difficult if you've not worked that way much
before!

I ran into this web site: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
It swears that OOP is over-hyped, and says that Procedural is better.
It has many arguments against OOP.

Do you pros think the info on that site has eny merrit? Or is the
author just trying to get some attention?

Thanks,
John

Look at it this way.
C++(hybrid, actually), C#, VB.NET, Java, etc., etc. are all object oriented
languages. Why is that, I wonder?
I would be the last person to tell you that OO is the *only* way, but it has
many appealing real world advantages conveniently ignored by the procedural
zealot.

--
Peter [MVP Visual Developer]
Jack of all trades, master of none.

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

"Workgroups " <no*****@domain less.com> schrieb:

That guy's a procedural ideologue, I wouldn't give him much credit.

OOP only puts a meta-structure over procedural programming. Procedural
programming is still one of the main programming techniques. I often see OO
code written by people claiming that they are "system architects" which show
a lack of knowledge in procedural programming. Thus the solutions may have
a good object model, but the implementation is flawed.

It's never good to have only a single tool in the toolbox, especially if you
need to combine the tools to get the best solution.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Cor,

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <no************ @planet.nl> schrieb:

Just try to avoid:
[...]
- placing your declaration in top of a method
[...]
You will see that sooner of later you are using OOP

Block-level scope is not an OO feature.

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

[johnb41]

Herfried,

Do you have advice on when is a good time to use OOP and when it is
not? How do I know?

John