Speaking of Whidbey

[CJ Taylor]

So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ

[One Handed Man \( OHM - Terry Burns \)]

Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics, you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out with tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ

[CJ Taylor]

Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in message
news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..

Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I completely agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics, you'll love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out

with

tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ

[Brian Henry]

I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++
"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:Oe******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved
me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
message
news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..

Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I

completely

agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,

you'll

love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

> So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...
>
> anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you > could ever want?
>
> I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles > and what not.
>
> Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
> procedures)....
>
> Controls of intersest...
>
> Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
> Login*.* =)
>
> Master pages *greatest feature ever*
>
> Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)
>
> Profile
>
> Membership
>
> and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)
>
> The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
> Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
> the
> planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out

with

> tools (as well priced too!)
>
> Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...
>
> -CJ
>
>

[Jake]

Hello,

Is there a link to get the beta version without a MSDN subscription?
Thanks.

Jake

"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++
"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:Oe******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
message
news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..

Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I

completely

agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,

you'll

love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend... >
> anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool

you

> could ever want?
>
> I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with

roles

> and what not.
>
> Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored > procedures)....
>
> Controls of intersest...
>
> Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
> Login*.* =)
>
> Master pages *greatest feature ever*
>
> Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)
>
> Profile
>
> Membership
>
> and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)
>
> The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software.. > Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
> the
> planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out with
> tools (as well priced too!)
>
> Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it... >
> -CJ
>
>

[Imran Koradia]

Either you can get the express versions for download or you can order the
beta CDs which are free - only shipping charges (around $5 to $10 depending
on the country).

download express editions:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/

beta CDs:
for americas and asian countries:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005...r/default.aspx

for europe, middle east and africa:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005...r/default.aspx

Imran

"Jake" <ro******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:eM******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...

Hello,

Is there a link to get the beta version without a MSDN subscription?
Thanks.

Jake

"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++
"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:Oe******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt' really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
message
news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..
> Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I
completely
> agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see> are
> DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the> Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to> work with, and you also get themes to boot.
>
> Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,
you'll
> love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10>
> --
>
> OHM ( Terry Burns )
> . . . One-Handed-Man . . .
> If U Need My Email ,Ask Me
>
> Time flies when you don't know what you're doing
>
> "CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
> news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> > So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...> >
> > anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
> > could ever want?
> >
> > I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
> > and what not.
> >
> > Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored> > procedures)....
> >
> > Controls of intersest...
> >
> > Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
> > Login*.* =)
> >
> > Master pages *greatest feature ever*
> >
> > Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)
> >
> > Profile
> >
> > Membership
> >
> > and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)
> >
> > The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..> > Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on> > the
> > planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out> with
> > tools (as well priced too!)
> >
> > Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...> >
> > -CJ
> >
> >
>
>

[One Handed Man \( OHM - Terry Burns \)]

Generics allow you to provide better compile-time validation when defining
and using the types and methods required to handle unrelated types. Generics
also help improve performance in some scenarios. Visual Basic 2005 supports
both the creation and consumption of generics.
If you search the help you will find more info.
--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me
Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++
"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:Oe******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
message
news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..

Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I

completely

agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,

you'll

love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend... >
> anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool

you

> could ever want?
>
> I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with

roles

> and what not.
>
> Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored > procedures)....
>
> Controls of intersest...
>
> Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
> Login*.* =)
>
> Master pages *greatest feature ever*
>
> Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)
>
> Profile
>
> Membership
>
> and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)
>
> The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software.. > Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
> the
> planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out with
> tools (as well priced too!)
>
> Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it... >
> -CJ
>
>

[CJ Taylor]

Could you give an example. sorry
-CJ

"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in message
news:u5******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Generics allow you to provide better compile-time validation when defining
and using the types and methods required to handle unrelated types. Generics also help improve performance in some scenarios. Visual Basic 2005 supports both the creation and consumption of generics.
If you search the help you will find more info.
--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me
Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++
"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:Oe******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt' really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
message
news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..
> Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I
completely
> agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see> are
> DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the> Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to> work with, and you also get themes to boot.
>
> Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,
you'll
> love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10>
> --
>
> OHM ( Terry Burns )
> . . . One-Handed-Man . . .
> If U Need My Email ,Ask Me
>
> Time flies when you don't know what you're doing
>
> "CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
> news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> > So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...> >
> > anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
> > could ever want?
> >
> > I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
> > and what not.
> >
> > Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored> > procedures)....
> >
> > Controls of intersest...
> >
> > Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
> > Login*.* =)
> >
> > Master pages *greatest feature ever*
> >
> > Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)
> >
> > Profile
> >
> > Membership
> >
> > and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)
> >
> > The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..> > Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on> > the
> > planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out> with
> > tools (as well priced too!)
> >
> > Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...> >
> > -CJ
> >
> >
>
>

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

* "CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> scripsit:

Could you give an example. sorry

A sample of what?

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>

[Jay B. Harlow [MVP - Outlook]]

CJ,
You can use Generics for generalized containers.

http://lab.msdn.micros oft.com/library/default.asp?url =/library/en-us/cpref/html/T_System_Collec tions_Generic_C ollection`1.asp

You can use Generics for simplified functions

Public Function IIf(Of T)(ByVal expression As Boolean, _
ByVal truePart As T, ByVal falsePart As T) As T
If expression Then
Return truePart
Else
Return falsePart
End If
End Function

You can use the above IIf in Whidbey with Option strict On, without needing
to cast the return value.

Or you can use Generics for generalized objects, such as a generic Range
object

http://martinfowler.com/ap2/range.html

I don't have my VB.NET generic range object code handy, I will try to post
it next week.

Hope this helps
Jay

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
news:ut******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...

Could you give an example. sorry
-CJ

"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
message
news:u5******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Generics allow you to provide better compile-time validation when
defining
and using the types and methods required to handle unrelated types.

Generics

also help improve performance in some scenarios. Visual Basic 2005

supports

both the creation and consumption of generics.
If you search the help you will find more info.
--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me
Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"Brian Henry" <br**********@n ewsgroups.nospa m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

> I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++
>
>
> "CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
> news:Oe******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
> > Hey Terry,
> >
> > Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer > > but
> > its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are > > defined in the dataset???)
> >
> > That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my > > stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly > > typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
> > anything
> > with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt' > > really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me...

Saved

> > me
> > so much time.
> >
> > The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even > > down
> > to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin

years

> > for functionality like that.. =)
> >
> > What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3
> > months

ago

> > on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I

didn't

> > quite understand what they were.
> >
> > Any info?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > CJ
> >
> >
> > "One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft .com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:eb******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..
> >> Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I
> > completely
> >> agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see > >> are
> >> DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the > >> Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so
> >> easy

to

> >> work with, and you also get themes to boot.
> >>
> >> Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up
> >> Generics,
> > you'll
> >> love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10 > >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> OHM ( Terry Burns )
> >> . . . One-Handed-Man . . .
> >> If U Need My Email ,Ask Me
> >>
> >> Time flies when you don't know what you're doing
> >>
> >> "CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
> >> news:ug******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> >> > So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this

weekend...

> >> >
> >> > anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool > > you
> >> > could ever want?
> >> >
> >> > I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with > > roles
> >> > and what not.
> >> >
> >> > Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding

stored

> >> > procedures)....
> >> >
> >> > Controls of intersest...
> >> >
> >> > Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
> >> > Login*.* =)
> >> >
> >> > Master pages *greatest feature ever*
> >> >
> >> > Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)
> >> >
> >> > Profile
> >> >
> >> > Membership
> >> >
> >> > and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)
> >> >
> >> > The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this

software..

> >> > Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on > >> > the
> >> > planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming

out

> >> with
> >> > tools (as well priced too!)
> >> >
> >> > Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do

it...

> >> >
> >> > -CJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
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