Question on Using Partial Types with ASP.NET via J.I.T.

[nospam]

I got three (3) files

(1) Untitled.aspx
(2) Untitled.aspx.1 .cs
(3) Untitled.aspx.2 .cs

These three files must be used together to make file #1, Untitled.aspx, page
work via
J.I.T. when the User first hits Internet Explorer 6.0 on your browser.
MY QUESTION to the Microsoft ASP.NET and C# teams.

I know how file #2,Untitled.asp x.1.cs, is connected and can be found by file
#1, the Untitled.aspx page.
How does file #3, Untitled.aspx.2 .cs, get found by the file #1 when I the
first time with Internet Explorer?

IN OTHER WORDS, I am NOT using pre-compile for VS.NET to make these file
compile together.
I would be just using J.I.T. compiling like you do now with src= attribute
in a ASP.NET page.

[nospam]

The screaming is needed because I am trying to knock some sense into
programmers who act like 14-year olds when they are proven WRONG.

Dear .NET Gurus, Authors, MVP's, MCSD, Programmers, Developers, Architects,
etc.,

You are some of the most arrogant people in the world and deserve to be
treated as an upset 14-year old as that's essentially what you have been
acting like. You have no CLUE how a real business works NOR even know what
the customer wants while cramming your noses in more OOP, n-Tier books and
articles that have more failed implementations than successes. But you
don't even know that because you still think you are right just like that
14-year old who hasn't grown up and learned to admit his mistakes.

WHY YES, SCREAMING (FULL CAPS) is necessary to get through all the NOISE of
EXCUSES you guys are spouting and spinning off everyday when something goes
wrong that you try to blame others on. FULL CAPS are NECESSARY as
Programmers stop reading when they are proven wrong and spout off their
rhetoric.
Now who is the 14-year old idiot you are trying to dis-credit?

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

Maybe it's the "screeming" that makes people think you are a complete idiot.
Bob

"nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
news:#3******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P10.phx.gbl...

You know you need to try a LOT harder to discredit me......
To bad your nose is still buried in your n-Tier and OOP books and articles

and "example" code....

I could easily bring up a few points in the past were everyone of you MVP's

and gurus thought I was a complete idiot screeming off the top of my lungs how the current architecture or feature, or missing feature was stupid,

yet

only to be validated years later......

If I were you, I would be very quiet, otherwise you would have to have a
good portion of humble pie.

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..

You must be very proud of him!

Bob Lehmann

"NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
news:1g******** *************@n ews4.srv.hcvlny .cv.net...
> Nah! I am his pop. Anyway it sense to me on this issue.
>
> "Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
> news:OG******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > So, you must be nospam's mom, I guess?
> >
> > Bob Lehmann
> >
> > "NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
> > news:PW******** **********@news 4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net...
> > > This is an excellent reply. I agree. Your comments actually apply across
> > the
> > > board for all kinds of programming. I never could understand how
anyone
> > who
> > > knows how to write code but has no clue to business processes and

user

> > > behavior can ever come up with a working, useful system.
> > >
> > > I have seen brilliant people who could recite the entire programming > > manual
> > > page for page and write reams of code without ever printing it

out to

> > check
> > > it and yet come up with a piece of cr** that the users hate.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, so now you admit VS.NET sucks really bad as a designer

tool. Let
> me
> > > ask
> > > > you something.
> > > > How can any company be productive if they have no idea how the

users

> are
> > > > going to interact with the program the developer wrote? How can the

> > > > developer test, performance tune, TRULLY debug, if they

haven't the

> > > > slightest idea of how their program will be used?
> > > >
> > > > VS.NET needs to have in mind the single word, "PRODUCTIVI TY" , not > > > > "developer productivity" or "designer productivity" as what

good is

a
> > > > program written by a developer that has to be totally

rewritten to how
> > the
> > > > user is going to use it.
> > > >
> > > > THE NUMBER #1 problem and reason for project failures is
COMMUNICATION
> > > > between the developer and the client. Developers say, "It

wasn't in

> the
> > > > spec! It wasn't in the spec!" Client's say, "but don't you know?? > don't
> > > you
> > > > know??"
> > > >
> > > > Now, what's the solution here? Learn more OOP, UML, n-Tier to

be more
> > > > flexible? How about refactoring and some design patterns for

even > > better
> > > > design? Let's buy every single Apress and Wrox book you can find and
> > read
> > > > those. yes!!!......tha t will solve everything..... .
> > > >
> > > > NO, THE PROBLEM is that DEVELOPERS are TOO CLUELESS to KNOW what to

> > > develop
> > > > in the first place!!!! AND they NEVER ASK in detail what need

to

be

> made
> > > and
> > > > WHY they are making it!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > It's amazing, these DEVELOPERS and MVP and RD's and Program

Managers

> go
> > to
> > > > non-OOP programmers and VB6 programmers and anything below

their skill
> > > level
> > > > and say, "IT'S just TOOL and YOU NEED TO LEARN it like anything else".
> > > >
> > > > ***
> > > > YET, these very SAME DEVELOPERS are NOT EVEN willing to lift a
FINGER
> to
> > > > L.E.A.R.N. a little bit about the "BUSINESS", UI, DESIGN and

what the
> > > > customer wants in the first place.
> > > > ***
> > > >
> > > > Again, in the words of MISTER BILL, ".NET is SLOW GOING"....I

wonder

> > > > WHY!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ah yes, the GREAT DIVIDE...I guess abstraction will make

everything

> > > > better!!!! HA HA HA HA....I can already see the results of
abstraction
> > in
> > > > the n-Tier..more failed IT projects than successess.
> > > >
> > > > It's amazing!!! these System and Application Architects are SOooo > > > > ABSTRACTED, it's no wonder why they have NO idea what the customer > wants
> > > and
> > > > why their app is soooo slow........but wait, the app is never
> delivered
> > on
> > > > time anyway.....so we have no idea if it's slow to begin with as they
> > are
> > > > are still in the "design phase of OOP"
> > > >
> > > > *************** *************** *************** ******
> > > > OH, and by the WAY, COMDEX floor space is now 150,000 sqft.. down from
> > > > 875,000 sqft. in the 1990s. And ATTENDANCE is 50,000...half

of what

> it
> > > had
> > > > last year......
> > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1381579,00.asp
> > > > *************** *************** *************** ******
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, a single HomeDepot or Super Walmart could have more
customers...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any, REPEAT ANY, MVP, programmer, developer, author, IT person

who > says
> > > that
> > > > what they are doing is making customers happy is simply in

denial

of

> > their
> > > > failures.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Cor]

Hi Nospam,

I dont know from which country you are, in my country people from 12 talk
like this.

Cor

You are some of the most arrogant people in the world and deserve to be
treated as an upset 14-year old as that's essentially what you have been
acting like. You have no CLUE how a real business works NOR even know what the customer wants while cramming your noses in more OOP, n-Tier books and
articles that have more failed implementations than successes. But you
don't even know that because you still think you are right just like that
14-year old who hasn't grown up and learned to admit his mistakes.

WHY YES, SCREAMING (FULL CAPS) is necessary to get through all the NOISE of EXCUSES you guys are spouting and spinning off everyday when something goes wrong that you try to blame others on. FULL CAPS are NECESSARY as
Programmers stop reading when they are proven wrong and spout off their
rhetoric.
Now who is the 14-year old idiot you are trying to dis-credit?

Wow dude, Try Decaff or a nap. And to think, I thought I was an ass.

Blanket statements are almost always a sign of a lack of knowledge or
wisdom.

And Welcome to the blocked list,
B-Bye
"nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..

The screaming is needed because I am trying to knock some sense into
programmers who act like 14-year olds when they are proven WRONG.

Dear .NET Gurus, Authors, MVP's, MCSD, Programmers, Developers, Architects, etc.,

You are some of the most arrogant people in the world and deserve to be
treated as an upset 14-year old as that's essentially what you have been
acting like. You have no CLUE how a real business works NOR even know what the customer wants while cramming your noses in more OOP, n-Tier books and
articles that have more failed implementations than successes. But you
don't even know that because you still think you are right just like that
14-year old who hasn't grown up and learned to admit his mistakes.

WHY YES, SCREAMING (FULL CAPS) is necessary to get through all the NOISE of EXCUSES you guys are spouting and spinning off everyday when something goes wrong that you try to blame others on. FULL CAPS are NECESSARY as
Programmers stop reading when they are proven wrong and spout off their
rhetoric.
Now who is the 14-year old idiot you are trying to dis-credit?

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

Maybe it's the "screeming" that makes people think you are a complete idiot.

Bob

"nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
news:#3******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P10.phx.gbl...

You know you need to try a LOT harder to discredit me......
To bad your nose is still buried in your n-Tier and OOP books and articles and "example" code....

I could easily bring up a few points in the past were everyone of you

MVP's

and gurus thought I was a complete idiot screeming off the top of my lungs how the current architecture or feature, or missing feature was stupid,

yet

only to be validated years later......

If I were you, I would be very quiet, otherwise you would have to have

a good portion of humble pie.

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..
> You must be very proud of him!
>
> Bob Lehmann
>
> "NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
> news:1g******** *************@n ews4.srv.hcvlny .cv.net...
> > Nah! I am his pop. Anyway it sense to me on this issue.
> >
> > "Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
> > news:OG******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > So, you must be nospam's mom, I guess?
> > >
> > > Bob Lehmann
> > >
> > > "NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
> > > news:PW******** **********@news 4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net...
> > > > This is an excellent reply. I agree. Your comments actually apply > across
> > > the
> > > > board for all kinds of programming. I never could understand how > anyone
> > > who
> > > > knows how to write code but has no clue to business processes and user
> > > > behavior can ever come up with a working, useful system.
> > > >
> > > > I have seen brilliant people who could recite the entire

programming

> > > manual
> > > > page for page and write reams of code without ever printing it out to
> > > check
> > > > it and yet come up with a piece of cr** that the users hate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, so now you admit VS.NET sucks really bad as a designer tool. > Let
> > me
> > > > ask
> > > > > you something.
> > > > > How can any company be productive if they have no idea how the users
> > are
> > > > > going to interact with the program the developer wrote? How can the
> > > > > developer test, performance tune, TRULLY debug, if they haven't the
> > > > > slightest idea of how their program will be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > VS.NET needs to have in mind the single word, "PRODUCTIVI TY" , not

> > > > > "developer productivity" or "designer productivity" as what good is
> a
> > > > > program written by a developer that has to be totally rewritten

to

> how
> > > the
> > > > > user is going to use it.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE NUMBER #1 problem and reason for project failures is
> COMMUNICATION
> > > > > between the developer and the client. Developers say, "It wasn't in
> > the
> > > > > spec! It wasn't in the spec!" Client's say, "but don't you

know??

> > don't
> > > > you
> > > > > know??"
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, what's the solution here? Learn more OOP, UML, n-Tier

to be > more
> > > > > flexible? How about refactoring and some design patterns

for even

> > > better
> > > > > design? Let's buy every single Apress and Wrox book you can find

> and
> > > read
> > > > > those. yes!!!......tha t will solve everything..... .
> > > > >
> > > > > NO, THE PROBLEM is that DEVELOPERS are TOO CLUELESS to KNOW what to
> > > > develop
> > > > > in the first place!!!! AND they NEVER ASK in detail what

need to be
> > made
> > > > and
> > > > > WHY they are making it!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > It's amazing, these DEVELOPERS and MVP and RD's and Program
Managers
> > go
> > > to
> > > > > non-OOP programmers and VB6 programmers and anything below their > skill
> > > > level
> > > > > and say, "IT'S just TOOL and YOU NEED TO LEARN it like anything > else".
> > > > >
> > > > > ***
> > > > > YET, these very SAME DEVELOPERS are NOT EVEN willing to lift

a > FINGER
> > to
> > > > > L.E.A.R.N. a little bit about the "BUSINESS", UI, DESIGN and what

> the
> > > > > customer wants in the first place.
> > > > > ***
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, in the words of MISTER BILL, ".NET is SLOW GOING"....I wonder
> > > > > WHY!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah yes, the GREAT DIVIDE...I guess abstraction will make
everything
> > > > > better!!!! HA HA HA HA....I can already see the results of
> abstraction
> > > in
> > > > > the n-Tier..more failed IT projects than successess.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's amazing!!! these System and Application Architects are

SOooo

> > > > > ABSTRACTED, it's no wonder why they have NO idea what the

customer

> > wants
> > > > and
> > > > > why their app is soooo slow........but wait, the app is never > > delivered
> > > on
> > > > > time anyway.....so we have no idea if it's slow to begin

with as > they
> > > are
> > > > > are still in the "design phase of OOP"
> > > > >
> > > > > *************** *************** *************** ******
> > > > > OH, and by the WAY, COMDEX floor space is now 150,000 sqft..

down

> from
> > > > > 875,000 sqft. in the 1990s. And ATTENDANCE is 50,000...half of what
> > it
> > > > had
> > > > > last year......
> > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1381579,00.asp
> > > > > *************** *************** *************** ******
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, a single HomeDepot or Super Walmart could have more
> customers...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any, REPEAT ANY, MVP, programmer, developer, author, IT

person who

> > says
> > > > that
> > > > > what they are doing is making customers happy is simply in

denial

of
> > > their
> > > > > failures.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Bob Lehmann]

You are one messed up little dude - even for a 14-year-old.

Bob Lehmann

"nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
news:#k******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

The screaming is needed because I am trying to knock some sense into
programmers who act like 14-year olds when they are proven WRONG.

Dear .NET Gurus, Authors, MVP's, MCSD, Programmers, Developers, Architects, etc.,

You are some of the most arrogant people in the world and deserve to be
treated as an upset 14-year old as that's essentially what you have been
acting like. You have no CLUE how a real business works NOR even know what the customer wants while cramming your noses in more OOP, n-Tier books and
articles that have more failed implementations than successes. But you
don't even know that because you still think you are right just like that
14-year old who hasn't grown up and learned to admit his mistakes.

WHY YES, SCREAMING (FULL CAPS) is necessary to get through all the NOISE of EXCUSES you guys are spouting and spinning off everyday when something goes wrong that you try to blame others on. FULL CAPS are NECESSARY as
Programmers stop reading when they are proven wrong and spout off their
rhetoric.
Now who is the 14-year old idiot you are trying to dis-credit?

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

Maybe it's the "screeming" that makes people think you are a complete idiot.

Bob

"nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
news:#3******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P10.phx.gbl...

You know you need to try a LOT harder to discredit me......
To bad your nose is still buried in your n-Tier and OOP books and articles and "example" code....

I could easily bring up a few points in the past were everyone of you

MVP's

and gurus thought I was a complete idiot screeming off the top of my lungs how the current architecture or feature, or missing feature was stupid,

yet

only to be validated years later......

If I were you, I would be very quiet, otherwise you would have to have

a good portion of humble pie.

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..
> You must be very proud of him!
>
> Bob Lehmann
>
> "NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
> news:1g******** *************@n ews4.srv.hcvlny .cv.net...
> > Nah! I am his pop. Anyway it sense to me on this issue.
> >
> > "Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
> > news:OG******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > So, you must be nospam's mom, I guess?
> > >
> > > Bob Lehmann
> > >
> > > "NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
> > > news:PW******** **********@news 4.srv.hcvlny.cv .net...
> > > > This is an excellent reply. I agree. Your comments actually apply > across
> > > the
> > > > board for all kinds of programming. I never could understand how > anyone
> > > who
> > > > knows how to write code but has no clue to business processes and user
> > > > behavior can ever come up with a working, useful system.
> > > >
> > > > I have seen brilliant people who could recite the entire

programming

> > > manual
> > > > page for page and write reams of code without ever printing it out to
> > > check
> > > > it and yet come up with a piece of cr** that the users hate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, so now you admit VS.NET sucks really bad as a designer tool. > Let
> > me
> > > > ask
> > > > > you something.
> > > > > How can any company be productive if they have no idea how the users
> > are
> > > > > going to interact with the program the developer wrote? How can the
> > > > > developer test, performance tune, TRULLY debug, if they haven't the
> > > > > slightest idea of how their program will be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > VS.NET needs to have in mind the single word, "PRODUCTIVI TY" , not

> > > > > "developer productivity" or "designer productivity" as what good is
> a
> > > > > program written by a developer that has to be totally rewritten

to

> how
> > > the
> > > > > user is going to use it.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE NUMBER #1 problem and reason for project failures is
> COMMUNICATION
> > > > > between the developer and the client. Developers say, "It wasn't in
> > the
> > > > > spec! It wasn't in the spec!" Client's say, "but don't you

know??

> > don't
> > > > you
> > > > > know??"
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, what's the solution here? Learn more OOP, UML, n-Tier

to be > more
> > > > > flexible? How about refactoring and some design patterns

for even

> > > better
> > > > > design? Let's buy every single Apress and Wrox book you can find

> and
> > > read
> > > > > those. yes!!!......tha t will solve everything..... .
> > > > >
> > > > > NO, THE PROBLEM is that DEVELOPERS are TOO CLUELESS to KNOW what to
> > > > develop
> > > > > in the first place!!!! AND they NEVER ASK in detail what

need to be
> > made
> > > > and
> > > > > WHY they are making it!!!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > It's amazing, these DEVELOPERS and MVP and RD's and Program
Managers
> > go
> > > to
> > > > > non-OOP programmers and VB6 programmers and anything below their > skill
> > > > level
> > > > > and say, "IT'S just TOOL and YOU NEED TO LEARN it like anything > else".
> > > > >
> > > > > ***
> > > > > YET, these very SAME DEVELOPERS are NOT EVEN willing to lift

a > FINGER
> > to
> > > > > L.E.A.R.N. a little bit about the "BUSINESS", UI, DESIGN and what

> the
> > > > > customer wants in the first place.
> > > > > ***
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, in the words of MISTER BILL, ".NET is SLOW GOING"....I wonder
> > > > > WHY!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah yes, the GREAT DIVIDE...I guess abstraction will make
everything
> > > > > better!!!! HA HA HA HA....I can already see the results of
> abstraction
> > > in
> > > > > the n-Tier..more failed IT projects than successess.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's amazing!!! these System and Application Architects are

SOooo

> > > > > ABSTRACTED, it's no wonder why they have NO idea what the

customer

> > wants
> > > > and
> > > > > why their app is soooo slow........but wait, the app is never > > delivered
> > > on
> > > > > time anyway.....so we have no idea if it's slow to begin

with as > they
> > > are
> > > > > are still in the "design phase of OOP"
> > > > >
> > > > > *************** *************** *************** ******
> > > > > OH, and by the WAY, COMDEX floor space is now 150,000 sqft..

down

> from
> > > > > 875,000 sqft. in the 1990s. And ATTENDANCE is 50,000...half of what
> > it
> > > > had
> > > > > last year......
> > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1381579,00.asp
> > > > > *************** *************** *************** ******
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, a single HomeDepot or Super Walmart could have more
> customers...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any, REPEAT ANY, MVP, programmer, developer, author, IT

person who

> > says
> > > > that
> > > > > what they are doing is making customers happy is simply in

denial

of
> > > their
> > > > > failures.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[ozbear]

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:59:12 -0600, "nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote:

The screaming is needed because I am trying to knock some sense into
programmers who act like 14-year olds when they are proven WRONG.

<snip>

Don't go away mad....

Just go away.

Oz

[nospam]

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1390957,00.asp

You know at least other technical people in other industries can say that
they produced quality products than their foreign competitors....

"software quality"...what 's that mean????

Yep....the replies are just like that 14-year old who is proven WRONG...

Have a nice day......



"ozbear" <oz*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:3fbbe1a0.1 33263796@news-server...

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:59:12 -0600, "nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote:

The screaming is needed because I am trying to knock some sense into
programmers who act like 14-year olds when they are proven WRONG.

<snip>

Don't go away mad....

Just go away.

Oz

[Muscha]

"nospam" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
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http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1390957,00.asp

You know at least other technical people in other industries can say that
they produced quality products than their foreign competitors....

"software quality"...what 's that mean????

Yep....the replies are just like that 14-year old who is proven WRONG...
Welcome to my kill file ...
Have a nice day......

You too ...

/m

[Eric Newton]

NRGeti, you are touching on some the Great Divide between Clients who only
typically have a vague idea of what they want, and developers that have to
know exactly what the Client wants.

I just ran into this problem myself in a dispute over features in a web
app... a client wanted news topics, so i built a simple news engine, based
on the money rate involved, they come back saying "Oh... but we wanted to be
able to categorize the news"... they didnt ask for that and why would I just
automatically put it in when I'm not getting paid very much in the first
place? Their retort was "but wouldn't you tell us?" How am I suppose to
read their minds? ie, "Its not in the SPECS"

The specs are a near-formal contract of what is expected between both
parties, how can we deal "at arms length" with each other if we don't even
fully know what each party wants out of the working relationship?
--
Eric Newton
C#/ASP Application Developer
http://ensoft-software.com/
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"NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
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Nah! I am his pop. Anyway it sense to me on this issue.

"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
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So, you must be nospam's mom, I guess?

Bob Lehmann

"NRGeti" <ng***@optonlin e.net> wrote in message
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This is an excellent reply. I agree. Your comments actually apply across

the

board for all kinds of programming. I never could understand how

anyone

who

knows how to write code but has no clue to business processes and user
behavior can ever come up with a working, useful system.

I have seen brilliant people who could recite the entire programming manual

page for page and write reams of code without ever printing it out to

check

it and yet come up with a piece of cr** that the users hate.
>
> Ok, so now you admit VS.NET sucks really bad as a designer tool.

Let me ask
> you something.
> How can any company be productive if they have no idea how the users are > going to interact with the program the developer wrote? How can the
> developer test, performance tune, TRULLY debug, if they haven't the
> slightest idea of how their program will be used?
>
> VS.NET needs to have in mind the single word, "PRODUCTIVI TY" , not
> "developer productivity" or "designer productivity" as what good is

a > program written by a developer that has to be totally rewritten to how the

> user is going to use it.
>
> THE NUMBER #1 problem and reason for project failures is

COMMUNICATION > between the developer and the client. Developers say, "It wasn't in

the > spec! It wasn't in the spec!" Client's say, "but don't you know?? don't you
> know??"
>
> Now, what's the solution here? Learn more OOP, UML, n-Tier to be more > flexible? How about refactoring and some design patterns for even

better

> design? Let's buy every single Apress and Wrox book you can find and read

> those. yes!!!......tha t will solve everything..... .
>
> NO, THE PROBLEM is that DEVELOPERS are TOO CLUELESS to KNOW what to
develop
> in the first place!!!! AND they NEVER ASK in detail what need to be made and
> WHY they are making it!!!!!!!!
>
> It's amazing, these DEVELOPERS and MVP and RD's and Program Managers go

to

> non-OOP programmers and VB6 programmers and anything below their

skill level
> and say, "IT'S just TOOL and YOU NEED TO LEARN it like anything else". >
> ***
> YET, these very SAME DEVELOPERS are NOT EVEN willing to lift a FINGER to > L.E.A.R.N. a little bit about the "BUSINESS", UI, DESIGN and what

the > customer wants in the first place.
> ***
>
> Again, in the words of MISTER BILL, ".NET is SLOW GOING"....I wonder
> WHY!!!!!
>
>
> Ah yes, the GREAT DIVIDE...I guess abstraction will make everything
> better!!!! HA HA HA HA....I can already see the results of abstraction in

> the n-Tier..more failed IT projects than successess.
>
> It's amazing!!! these System and Application Architects are SOooo
> ABSTRACTED, it's no wonder why they have NO idea what the customer wants and
> why their app is soooo slow........but wait, the app is never delivered

on

> time anyway.....so we have no idea if it's slow to begin with as

they are

> are still in the "design phase of OOP"
>
> *************** *************** *************** ******
> OH, and by the WAY, COMDEX floor space is now 150,000 sqft.. down

from > 875,000 sqft. in the 1990s. And ATTENDANCE is 50,000...half of what

it had
> last year......
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1381579,00.asp
> *************** *************** *************** ******
>
>
> Wow, a single HomeDepot or Super Walmart could have more customers... >
>
> Any, REPEAT ANY, MVP, programmer, developer, author, IT person who says that
> what they are doing is making customers happy is simply in denial of

their

> failures.
>
>
> Cheers!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!