this is an age old debate,who is more effective==>a coder or a programmer...
the definitions of these two terms are also are overloaded multiple times.
lets start with these in TSDN.
when should we be called a programmer and when a coder?
and what do you think is the difference between the terms?
Feb 19 '07
61  20696   Frinavale 9,735
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I disagree to some extent. I just take them literally. Coders write code programmers write programs. You cannot write a program without writing code. So all programmers are coders. When you write code you are putting together a program so coders are also programmers.
Is a software engineer a programmer?
I've noticed that there is a lot documentation involved with engineering/programing a system. I've been told that software engineers don't even touch code because they are too busy creating/modifying the documents for the system's design.
In practice, a programmer plans the system and implements it. Thus, a programmer is also a coder.
In the university setting, we are told that an engineer plans the system and hands it off to someone else to implement it. Thus the engineer programs the system and a coder implements it.
Its way too hard to ignore the fact that in the real world a programmer plans and implements systems.
So, are programmers also software engineers?
Programmers certainly must design and analyze (engineer) the system they wish to implement before they start coding.
In this case why do "software engineers" exist?
In this case why do "software engineers" exist?
To get more money than programmers.
 Motoma 3,237
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Is a software engineer a programmer?
I've noticed that there is a lot documentation involved with engineering/programing a system. I've been told that software engineers don't even touch code because they are too busy creating/modifying the documents for the system's design.
In practice, a programmer plans the system and implements it. Thus, a programmer is also a coder.
In the university setting, we are told that an engineer plans the system and hands it off to someone else to implement it. Thus the engineer programs the system and a coder implements it.
Its way too hard to ignore the fact that in the real world a programmer plans and implements systems.
So, are programmers also software engineers?
Programmers certainly must design and analyze (engineer) the system they wish to implement before they start coding.
In this case why do "software engineers" exist?
I guess to tackle this question, we could take a look at the hierarchy of CS objects:
Code
Program
Software
Software can be a program or many programs used together.
A program is made of segments of code.
Where you fit along the line determines your job title.
Sorry for the short answer, I just responded to thirty-two bazillion Flash questions, and I am not feeling as articulate as I did before doing so.
 DeMan 1,806
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In this case why do "software engineers" exist?
I sometimes wonder whether this is a matter of where you are in the world. I work for an American Company, and my title is "Software Engineer". The same role in a local (Australian) company would probably be "Software Developer".
When I was at school, and was deciding study options/career paths, neither of these titles were very common, rather "Programmer " and "Systems Analyst" were the catchy terms used. I always assumed that a "Programmer " was a "code-Monkey" and a "Systems Analyst" was his boss. These terms are still around, sure, but I'm not sure they still describe exactly the same role they used to. Systems Analysts these days are not necesarily IT qualified (and infact analyse Systems which aren't necessarily electric, and I think {though I've been wrong once or twice before} that this is sort of where Business Analysts came from....but I digress)
I think companies try to use terms like Engineer and Developer to highlight the fact that these days, most work on a development team requires you to be involved with most aspects of the Development Life Cycle (eg even testers should attend planning and design phases etc).
Like with anything, a term is defined by the way you use it, and while I'm flattered to be referred to as a Software Engineer, I'm not offended by being called a Code Monkey, or Programmer, or Developer, or Coder, or anything else because, at the end of the day, I'm not really sure how my job is different to any of those roles.
I go now, before I confuse myself.....
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When I was at school, and was deciding study options/career paths, neither of these titles were very common, rather "Programmer " and "Systems Analyst" were the catchy terms used. I always assumed that a "Programmer " was a "code-Monkey" and a "Systems Analyst" was his boss. These terms are still around, sure, but I'm not sure they still describe exactly the same role they used to. Systems Analysts these days are not necesarily IT qualified
I have a friend who is a 'Systems Analyst' and (though he is entry-level) he handles creating documentation and requirements, as well as determining those requirements with the customer (NOT an easy thing to do - working with both the customers and the programmers to find the balance between feature and feasability). I'm not entirely sure what those above him do...
I have a friend who is a 'Systems Analyst' and (though he is entry-level) he handles creating documentation and requirements, as well as determining those requirements with the customer (NOT an easy thing to do - working with both the customers and the programmers to find the balance between feature and feasability). I'm not entirely sure what those above him do...
My job title is analyst programmer. I spend 14 hours a day writing code six days a week.
 MMcCarthy 14,534
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I sometimes wonder whether this is a matter of where you are in the world. I work for an American Company, and my title is "Software Engineer". The same role in a local (Australian) company would probably be "Software Developer".
When I was at school, and was deciding study options/career paths, neither of these titles were very common, rather "Programmer " and "Systems Analyst" were the catchy terms used. I always assumed that a "Programmer " was a "code-Monkey" and a "Systems Analyst" was his boss. These terms are still around, sure, but I'm not sure they still describe exactly the same role they used to. Systems Analysts these days are not necesarily IT qualified (and infact analyse Systems which aren't necessarily electric, and I think {though I've been wrong once or twice before} that this is sort of where Business Analysts came from....but I digress)
To digress ...
Because most of the systems I design are for business users I keep getting tagged with the Business Analyst/Developer label. I've never considered myself a business analyst. Maybe this is just an Irish thing. We love putting labels on people but we're not very consistent about it. It seems to change like fashion.
Mary
acoder 16,027
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My job title is analyst programmer. I spend 14 hours a day writing code six days a week.
You are joking surely...
You are joking surely...
I wish I were. I've been doing that for the past 8 months by the way.
I had a life when I started.
DeMan 1,806
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.....And stil manages 18 posts a day!!!!!! (within those 8 months!!!!!!!!! !)
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