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Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI like
WinForms) shrink wrap application

My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as
on the Apple Mac
Dec 16 '06 #1
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On 12/16/06, The Night Blogger <th************ *@gmail.comwrot e:
Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI like
WinForms) shrink wrap application

My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as
on the Apple Mac
For my money (even though it's free!), you can't beat Dabo. It uses
the wxPython UI toolkit, so it looks great on Mac and Windows (Linux,
too), since it uses native UI widgets on each platform. They even have
tools to design your visual classes interactively.

Check it out at http://dabodev.com.
--

# p.d.
Dec 16 '06 #2
On 12/16/06, The Night Blogger <thenightblog.. .@gmail.comwrot e:
Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI like
WinForms) shrink wrap application
My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as
on the Apple Mac
wxPython or something layered on it would be the way to go. I tried all
the popular toolkits (except qt) and nothing else comes close for cross
platform gui work. Don't let people persuade you otherwise, that caused
me a lot of trouble.

-Sandra

Dec 17 '06 #3
The Night Blogger <th************ *@gmail.comwrot e:
Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI
like WinForms) shrink wrap application

No, because such a thing doesn't exist.
My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as
on the Apple Mac
Crossplatform GUIs are a myth, you *always* end up with a lowest common
denominator (aka Windows) which makes your application look like crap on
other platforms. And when the toolkit/framework only makes it look like
semi-crap, it makes it *feel* like crap.

Because, you know, user interfaces aren't only about the look but also
(and most importantly) the feel, and the lowest common denominator (aka
Windows) won't bring a Mac feel to your app.

Crossplatform toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. If
you want your app to look *AND* feel great on all platform, abstract the
core of your application and embed it in platform native GUI code.

--
Luc Heinrich
Dec 17 '06 #4
Sandra-24 wrote:
On 12/16/06, The Night Blogger <thenightblog.. .@gmail.comwrot e:
>Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI
like WinForms) shrink wrap application
>My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows
as on the Apple Mac

wxPython or something layered on it would be the way to go. I tried all
the popular toolkits (except qt) and nothing else comes close for cross
platform gui work. Don't let people persuade you otherwise, that caused
me a lot of trouble.
Well, you should try qt too ;)

BTW, does wxWindow/wxPython have something that allows you to switch the OK
and Cancel button position according to the current machine GUI guidelines?

Dec 17 '06 #5
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:37:04 +0100, lu*@honk-honk.com (Luc Heinrich)
wrote:
>Crossplatfor m toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. If
you want your app to look *AND* feel great on all platform, abstract the
core of your application and embed it in platform native GUI code.
+1. Applications beyond very basic GUI's are better off rewriting the
GUI for each application, while keeping the business logic separate.
Even something as basic as QuickTime sucks on Windows.

I'd be curious to see the source code to Skype: I just installed the
Linux version, and it looks very nice. Maybe it was recompiled with
Kylix.
Dec 18 '06 #6
Vincent Delporte wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:37:04 +0100, lu*@honk-honk.com (Luc Heinrich)
wrote:
>>Crossplatfo rm toolkits/frameworks suck. All of them. No exception. If
you want your app to look *AND* feel great on all platform, abstract the
core of your application and embed it in platform native GUI code.

+1. Applications beyond very basic GUI's are better off rewriting the
GUI for each application, while keeping the business logic separate.
Even something as basic as QuickTime sucks on Windows.
Read my second reply before reading that part again ;)
I'd be curious to see the source code to Skype: I just installed the
Linux version, and it looks very nice. Maybe it was recompiled with
Kylix.
They use QT. Back to read the first part of your post.

Dec 18 '06 #7
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:23:10 +0100, Christophe Cavalaria
<ch************ *@free.frwrote:
>They use QT. Back to read the first part of your post.
It doesn't make much difference:
- QT is big, so even small apps carry a lot of baggage
- by not using the native widgets, you're dependent on that layer to
keep up with changes in the look & feel of the platform (eg. XP's
widgets that look different from previous widgets).

Bottom line: GUI apps are better off extracting the maximum amount of
logic into OS-agnostic code, and then rewrite the GUI for each
platform.

Even better: Considering that Windows has a 95% market share, make
doubly-sure that it makes financial sense to provide a cross-platform
GUI application (the server can be written in text mode, and can then
be available for multiple OS's with no major problem).
Dec 18 '06 #8
You could write it as a web app, with an executable which launches the
server and points a browser at it.

Python GUI work is a bit of a drag, really. One of the worst things
about it, IMHO.

-T
Vincent Delporte wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:23:10 +0100, Christophe Cavalaria
<ch************ *@free.frwrote:
They use QT. Back to read the first part of your post.

It doesn't make much difference:
- QT is big, so even small apps carry a lot of baggage
- by not using the native widgets, you're dependent on that layer to
keep up with changes in the look & feel of the platform (eg. XP's
widgets that look different from previous widgets).

Bottom line: GUI apps are better off extracting the maximum amount of
logic into OS-agnostic code, and then rewrite the GUI for each
platform.

Even better: Considering that Windows has a 95% market share, make
doubly-sure that it makes financial sense to provide a cross-platform
GUI application (the server can be written in text mode, and can then
be available for multiple OS's with no major problem).
Dec 18 '06 #9
On 17 Dec 2006 21:20:14 -0800, "tl**********@g mail.com"
<tl**********@g mail.comwrote:
>You could write it as a web app, with an executable which launches the
server and points a browser at it.
Right, I was thinking of this too, but since the OP was talking of a
fat app...
>Python GUI work is a bit of a drag, really. One of the worst things
about it, IMHO.
But then, it was built for write text-based scripts. I assume someone
could take it, and turn it into a GUI-based solution for Windows, but
it's probably quite a lot of work, and maybe there just isn't anyone
willing to pay for it. It'd be cool, though to be able to just send
someone a 10KB GUI Python script and have it run in Windows natively
:-)
Dec 18 '06 #10

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