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Will GPL Java eat into Python marketshare?

Some think it will.

Up untill now, Java has never been standard across different versions
of Linux and Unix. Some think that is one reason that some developers
have avoided Java in favor of Python. Now that Java has been GPL'd that
might change.

IMO: it won't make much difference. But I don't really know.

Nov 15 '06 #1
29 1996

walterbyrd wrote:
Some think it will.

Up untill now, Java has never been standard across different versions
of Linux and Unix. Some think that is one reason that some developers
have avoided Java in favor of Python. Now that Java has been GPL'd that
might change.

IMO: it won't make much difference. But I don't really know.
The change might also provide an opportunity for further expansion of
jython, eating into Java "marketshar e"

Nov 15 '06 #2
"walterbyrd " <wa********@ina me.comwrites:
Some think it will.

Up untill now, Java has never been standard across different versions
of Linux and Unix. Some think that is one reason that some developers
have avoided Java in favor of Python. Now that Java has been GPL'd that
might change.

IMO: it won't make much difference. But I don't really know.
Short answer: People use Python instead of Java because people (at
least intelligent people) tend to avoid pain.

Long answer: Changing licenses doesn't magically change Java's
architecture. It is still a closed world of reinvent-the-wheel,
my-way-or-the-highway. Which is antithetical to Python's promiscuous
interface-with-anything approach.

--
Harry George
PLM Engineering Architecture
Nov 15 '06 #3
walterbyrd wrote:
Some think it will.

Up untill now, Java has never been standard across different versions
of Linux and Unix. Some think that is one reason that some developers
have avoided Java in favor of Python. Now that Java has been GPL'd that
might change.

IMO: it won't make much difference. But I don't really know.
I'm hoping for a more optimistic outcome that this may open a
possibility for tigher interoperabilit y between java programs and python
programs. That is, run java class files or java codes natively on python
VM. Is this still a blue sky dream?

maurice
Nov 15 '06 #4
Harry George <ha************ @boeing.comwrot e:
Short answer: People use Python instead of Java because people (at
least intelligent people) tend to avoid pain.
Intelligent people don't suffer from fanboy sentiments. They just pick a
language that works best for them.

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Nov 15 '06 #5

John Bokma wrote:
Intelligent people don't suffer from fanboy sentiments. They just pick a
language that works best for them.
Adding to that, they pick the language that works best for them and the
situation. Python has a significant advantage in many applications
because it is dynamic and can be used for rapid development. IMHO,
usually more rapid than Java. Hopefully Java being GPL'd will make it
easier to deploy applications, especially on Linux. There are many
applications where Java has a significant advantage. I plan to make use
of both.

Nov 16 '06 #6
John Bokma a écrit :
Harry George <ha************ @boeing.comwrot e:

>>Short answer: People use Python instead of Java because people (at
least intelligent people) tend to avoid pain.


Intelligent people don't suffer from fanboy sentiments. They just pick a
language that works best for them.
Which is *exactly* what Harry said...
Nov 16 '06 #7
walterbyrd wrote:
Some think it will.

Up untill now, Java has never been standard across different versions
of Linux and Unix. Some think that is one reason that some developers
have avoided Java in favor of Python. Now that Java has been GPL'd that
might change.

IMO: it won't make much difference. But I don't really know.
I don't think so. Java and Python don't really belong to the same
"class" of programming languages:

C++, Java: strongly typed, statically typed object-oriented programming
languages... minimal runtime means that these languages can be compiled
to native executables easily (yes, Java can now with things like GCJ
and appropriate libraries)

Python, Perl, Ruby: dynamically typed object-oriented programming
languages... lots of runtime intelligence allows you to do things like
create a new class or function at runtime, or look up a symbol based on
a string of its name, or execute a string containing source code (these
things make the language more flexible but pretty hard to compile to
native code without embedding an interpreter)

The "mindset" required to program effectively in C++ or Java is very
different from that required to program effectively in Python or Perl,
in a way that's quite separate from the syntactical distinctions
between these languages... I think most programmers settle comfortably
into one mindset that fits best with the tasks they do, and try not to
move outside of it.

The ranks of C++ programmers have already been diminished by many of
them jumping to Java, since it offers less complex syntax and better
cross-platform support. I expect that GPL'ed Java will accelerate the
decline of C++. But I don't see Java competing directly with Python...

Dan

Nov 16 '06 #8
Bruno Desthuilliers <bd************ *****@free.quel quepart.frwrote :
John Bokma a écrit :
>Harry George <ha************ @boeing.comwrot e:

>>>Short answer: People use Python instead of Java because people (at
least intelligent people) tend to avoid pain.


Intelligent people don't suffer from fanboy sentiments. They just
pick a language that works best for them.
Which is *exactly* what Harry said...
No, there is a very clear difference if one is willing to see it.

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Nov 16 '06 #9
"Matimus" <mc******@gmail .comwrote:
>
John Bokma wrote:
>Intelligent people don't suffer from fanboy sentiments. They just
pick a language that works best for them.

Adding to that, they pick the language that works best for them and
the situation.
Yup.
Python has a significant advantage in many applications
because it is dynamic and can be used for rapid development. IMHO,
usually more rapid than Java. Hopefully Java being GPL'd will make it
easier to deploy applications, especially on Linux. There are many
applications where Java has a significant advantage. I plan to make
use of both.
Yes, my point. I program mostly in Perl, use Java now and then, and am
still working on learning Python.

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Nov 16 '06 #10

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