wing ide vs. komodo?

[John Salerno]

Just curious what users of the two big commercial IDEs think of them
compared to one another (if you've used both).

Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.

Komodo, on the other hand, seems to have more of the features that the
personal version of Wing IDE lacks (call tips, class browser, etc.) but
the look of it seems very sparse for some reason.

[Theerasak Photha]

On 10/13/06, John Salerno <jo******@nospa mgmail.comwrote :

Is Eric available for Windows? I have found the install files before,
but they looked like it was for Linux.

You need QScintilla IIRC, but:

http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/...timonials.html

"Eric is becoming an integral part of our Python development here at
Fluent. It's ability to set and trigger breakpoints in any thread is
unlike any other Python debugger we have tried. Through Eric's easy to
use interface and tight integration with PyQt, it has helped reduce
our debugging time, particularly on Windows platforms where it is used
heavily."

--- Andrew Bushnell, Fluent Inc.

So yeah. Good luck w/ it then, whatever your choice.

-- Theerasak

[Todd Whiteman]

Check the following links, somebody has already done the hard work for
you :)

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Integrat...ntEnvironments
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/p...de-review.html
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/r...thon-ides.html
http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review

Cheers,
Todd

John Salerno wrote:

Just curious what users of the two big commercial IDEs think of them
compared to one another (if you've used both).

Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.

Komodo, on the other hand, seems to have more of the features that the
personal version of Wing IDE lacks (call tips, class browser, etc.) but
the look of it seems very sparse for some reason.

[John Salerno]

Todd Whiteman wrote:

Check the following links, somebody has already done the hard work for
you :)

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Integrat...ntEnvironments
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/p...de-review.html
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/r...thon-ides.html
http://www.straw-dogs.co.uk/blog/python-ide-review

Cheers,
Todd

John Salerno wrote:

>Just curious what users of the two big commercial IDEs think of them
compared to one another (if you've used both).

Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.

Komodo, on the other hand, seems to have more of the features that the
personal version of Wing IDE lacks (call tips, class browser, etc.) but
the look of it seems very sparse for some reason.

Nice, thanks!

[Paul Boddie]

hg wrote:

>
Eric3 is very nice and moving forward ... I believe it is based on the
QT library which free ... yet not so free under windows (i have yet to
understand the business model).

There are snapshots of Eric4 available, apparently. See here for more:

http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/
http://www.die-offenbachs.de/detlev/eric4.html

[...]

PS: I also was taken aback by the fact that the PyDev license was
"per-year" ... it's like buying Word for a year only ... isn't it ?

Flashbacks to the age of shareware seem to be commonplace in the realm
of Eclipse, or that's how the scene seems to me.

Paul

[Sandra-24]

John Salerno wrote:

Just curious what users of the two big commercial IDEs think of them
compared to one another (if you've used both).

Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.

Well I don't know about the personal edition, but I've used Komodo and
Wing, and I must say that I chose Wing in the end because it's debugger
is so much more robust than komodo. I tried remote debugging mod_python
using komodo, and it just choked. I spent a week trying to get it to
work. Wing, on the other hand, just worked. I have only the highest
praise for the Wing IDE Debugger, once you get to know it, it's so much
more powerful than Komodo's. The time saved over Komodo was well worth
the money for the professional edition.

-Sandra

[John Salerno]

John Salerno wrote:

Just curious what users of the two big commercial IDEs think of them
compared to one another (if you've used both).

Wing IDE looks a lot nicer and fuller featured in the screenshots, but a
glance at the feature list shows that the "personal" version doesn't
even support code folding! That's a little ridiculous and makes me have
doubts about it.

Komodo, on the other hand, seems to have more of the features that the
personal version of Wing IDE lacks (call tips, class browser, etc.) but
the look of it seems very sparse for some reason.

Well, I've tested out both for a little bit, and my first impression is
that Wing is very slow and laggy (Personal Edition, at least) compared
to Komodo. When you drag windows around, they leave huge trails, and the
autocomplete really slows down the text. Komodo didn't seem to have
these issues. But Wing's autocomplete definitely is more complete than
Komodo's.

[Heikki Toivonen]

"Eric is becoming an integral part of our Python development here at

Fluent. It's ability to set and trigger breakpoints in any thread is
unlike any other Python debugger we have tried. Through Eric's easy to
use interface and tight integration with PyQt, it has helped reduce
our debugging time, particularly on Windows platforms where it is used
heavily."

--- Andrew Bushnell, Fluent Inc.

I have found that both Komodo and Pydev can do this.

Wing IDE does not (although you can debug any single thread). They are
open to suggestions though, so if there is demand I am sure they would
add it.

Personally I have used Wing IDE, Komodo and Pydev. I think Wing IDE has
the best debugging experience (for single threaded apps), and is the
fastest. I really like the regex tool in Komodo, but eventually I more
or less stopped using it. I am currently a Pydev user. I like Pydev
because it is open source, cross platform, supports multi-threaded
debugging, and simply because Eclipse provides so much stuff (although
it is a pretty steep learning curve and it has its own annoyances).

--
Heikki Toivonen

[Heikki Toivonen]

"Eric is becoming an integral part of our Python development here at

Fluent. It's ability to set and trigger breakpoints in any thread is
unlike any other Python debugger we have tried. Through Eric's easy to
use interface and tight integration with PyQt, it has helped reduce
our debugging time, particularly on Windows platforms where it is used
heavily."

--- Andrew Bushnell, Fluent Inc.

I have found that both Komodo and Pydev can do this.

Wing IDE does not (although you can debug any single thread). They are
open to suggestions though, so if there is demand I am sure they would
add it.

Personally I have used Wing IDE, Komodo and Pydev. I think Wing IDE has
the best debugging experience (for single threaded apps), and is the
fastest. I really like the regex tool in Komodo, but eventually I more
or less stopped using it. I am currently a Pydev user. I like Pydev
because it is open source, cross platform, supports multi-threaded
debugging, and simply because Eclipse provides so much stuff (although
it is a pretty steep learning curve and it has its own annoyances).

--
Heikki Toivonen

[Heikki Toivonen]

Paul Boddie wrote:

hg wrote:

>PS: I also was taken aback by the fact that the PyDev license was
"per-year" ... it's like buying Word for a year only ... isn't it ?

Flashbacks to the age of shareware seem to be commonplace in the realm
of Eclipse, or that's how the scene seems to me.

You are confusing Pydev and Pydev Extensions. The former is free, the
latter costs money and has some advanced features. The Pydev maintainer
launched Pydev Extensions to get some extra cash and let him spend more
time on Pydev development.

--
Heikki Toivonen

[Paul Boddie]

Heikki Toivonen wrote:

Paul Boddie wrote:

hg wrote:

PS: I also was taken aback by the fact that the PyDev license was
"per-year" ... it's like buying Word for a year only ... isn't it ?

Flashbacks to the age of shareware seem to be commonplace in the realm
of Eclipse, or that's how the scene seems to me.

You are confusing Pydev and Pydev Extensions. The former is free, the
latter costs money and has some advanced features. The Pydev maintainer
launched Pydev Extensions to get some extra cash and let him spend more
time on Pydev development.

I think hg was confusing the two; I was merely making general remarks
about the Eclipse scene, and in particular certain J2EE-related
products which seem to add little value yet come with a price tag.

Paul