does raw_input() return unicode?

[Stuart McGraw]

In the announcement for Python-2.3
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....fe25388d?hl=en
it says "raw_input( ): can now return Unicode objects".

But I didn't see anything about this in Andrew Kuchling's
"2.3 What's New", nor does the current python docs for
raw_input() say anything about this. A test on a MS
Windows system with a cp932 (japanese) default locale
shows the object returned by raw_input() is a str() object
containing cp932 encoded text. This remained true even
when I set Python's default encoding to cp932 (in
sitecustomize.p y).

So, does raw_input() ever return unicode objects and if
so, under what conditions?

[Duncan Booth]

"Stuart McGraw" <sm********@fri izz.RimoovAllZZ s.comwrote:

So, does raw_input() ever return unicode objects and if
so, under what conditions?

It returns unicode if reading from sys.stdin returns unicode.

Unfortunately, I can't tell you how to make sys.stdin return unicode for
use with raw_input. I tried what I thought should work and as you can see
it messed up the buffering on stdin. Does anyone else know how to wrap
sys.stdin so it returns unicode but is still unbuffered?

Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Sep 19 2006, 09:52:17) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]
on win32
Type "help", "copyright" , "credits" or "license" for more information.

>>import sys, codecs
sys.stdin.enc oding

'cp437'

>>sys.stdin = codecs.getreade r(sys.stdin.enc oding)(sys.stdi n)
raw_input()

hello world
still going?
^Z
^Z
u'hello world'

>>>

[Martin v. Löwis]

Stuart McGraw schrieb:

So, does raw_input() ever return unicode objects and if
so, under what conditions?

At the moment, it only returns unicode objects when invoked
in the IDLE shell, and only if the character entered cannot
be represented in the locale's charset.

Regards,
Martin

[Theerasak Photha]

On 10/10/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <ma****@v.loewi s.dewrote:

Stuart McGraw schrieb:

So, does raw_input() ever return unicode objects and if
so, under what conditions?

At the moment, it only returns unicode objects when invoked
in the IDLE shell, and only if the character entered cannot
be represented in the locale's charset.

Why only IDLE? Does urwid or another console UI toolkit avoid this somehow?

-- Theerasak

[Fredrik Lundh]

Theerasak Photha wrote:

>>So, does raw_input() ever return unicode objects and if
so, under what conditions?

At the moment, it only returns unicode objects when invoked
in the IDLE shell, and only if the character entered cannot
be represented in the locale's charset.

Why only IDLE? Does urwid or another console UI toolkit avoid this somehow?

Martin was probably thinking of the standard distribution.

The 2.3 note says that "raw_input( ) *can* return Unicode", not that it
"should" or "must" do it.

</F>

[Theerasak Photha]

On 10/10/06, Fredrik Lundh <fr*****@python ware.comwrote:

Martin was probably thinking of the standard distribution.

The 2.3 note says that "raw_input( ) *can* return Unicode", not that it
"should" or "must" do it.

Practically speaking, at the heart of the matter: as of Python 2.5
final, does or can raw_input() return Unicode under the appropriate
circumstances, according to user wishes?

(Yes, I would test, but I am presently away from my Linux box with
Python, and can't install it here.)

-- Theerasak

[Fredrik Lundh]

Theerasak Photha wrote:

Practically speaking, at the heart of the matter: as of Python 2.5
final, does or can raw_input() return Unicode under the appropriate
circumstances, according to user wishes?

didn't Martin just answer that question?

</F>

[Theerasak Photha]

On 10/10/06, Fredrik Lundh <fr*****@python ware.comwrote:

Theerasak Photha wrote:

Practically speaking, at the heart of the matter: as of Python 2.5
final, does or can raw_input() return Unicode under the appropriate
circumstances, according to user wishes?

didn't Martin just answer that question?

*slaps forehead* D'oh!

-- Theerasak

[Martin v. Löwis]

Theerasak Photha schrieb:

>At the moment, it only returns unicode objects when invoked
in the IDLE shell, and only if the character entered cannot
be represented in the locale's charset.

Why only IDLE? Does urwid or another console UI toolkit avoid this somehow?

I admit I don't know what urwid is; from a shallow description I find
("a console user interface library") I can't see the connection to
raw_input(). How would raw_input() ever use urwid?

Regards,
Martin

[Martin v. Löwis]

Theerasak Photha schrieb:

>At the moment, it only returns unicode objects when invoked
in the IDLE shell, and only if the character entered cannot
be represented in the locale's charset.

Why only IDLE? Does urwid or another console UI toolkit avoid this somehow?

I admit I don't know what urwid is; from a shallow description I find
("a console user interface library") I can't see the connection to
raw_input(). How would raw_input() ever use urwid?

Regards,
Martin