Hello
I'm thinking of using Python to build the prototype for a business web
appplication. The development and test machine is XP, while ultimate
deployment will be on a shared Unix web host.
What would you recommend I get, besides the Python engine itself? Good
IDE (Kodomo?) ? Some kind of GUI designer? Add-on's? Other tools?
Thank you.
Jul 28 '06
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:31:47 -0400, Dan Sommers <me@privacy.net >
wrote:
>You win that bet. (We actually tested on both platforms.) *Not*
testing on the deployment platform is *definitely* asking for trouble.
I did intend to validate it on the deployment platform. It's just that
I prefer to work in Windows than Linux.
Aptitude, are you still using that? Just use Synaptic on Ubuntu. The
problem as I wrote in my post before is that for some IDEs you don't
just download an executable but because they are written for Linux
first, on Windows you have to search and install a lot of helper
libraries that often takes quite a bit of time.
And why do you want to spend half an hour searching for stuff when you
can do just spend 1 minute in a nice graphical installer or use apt-get
install on the command line to install it.
I am using Ubuntu primarily because it has the .deb system which I
found to be much better mentained and which deals with dependecies a
lot better.
Nick V.
Rob Sinclar wrote:
I'm thinking of using Python to build the prototype for a business web
appplication. The development and test machine is XP, while ultimate
deployment will be on a shared Unix web host.
>
What would you recommend I get, besides the Python engine itself? Good
IDE (Kodomo?) ? Some kind of GUI designer? Add-on's? Other tools?
>
Thank you.
If you plant to deploy on Unix/Linux, why develop on Windows?
Because it's worth it. And faster. Read below.
just do 'apt-get install <my_new_ide>' (for
Debian based distros like Debian and Ubuntu that is) and your new IDE
will appear in the Programming menu.
Nah I prefer to search half an hour on google, download an exe-installer
for which I'll never see what it does or contain, double clic on it to launch
installation procedure, clic 15 times on "ok" and I'm done.
On the other hand aptitude is the worst thing ever for dependencies and
that kind of stuff.
Best Regards,
Rob
On Saturday 29 July 2006 03:43, Nick Vatamaniuc wrote:
Aptitude, are you still using that? Just use Synaptic on Ubuntu. The
problem as I wrote in my post before is that for some IDEs you don't
just download an executable but because they are written for Linux
first, on Windows you have to search and install a lot of helper
libraries that often takes quite a bit of time.
And why do you want to spend half an hour searching for stuff when you
can do just spend 1 minute in a nice graphical installer or use apt-get
install on the command line to install it.
I am using Ubuntu primarily because it has the .deb system which I
found to be much better mentained and which deals with dependecies a
lot better.
Nick V.
Synaptic is using aptitude as back-end (this is serious).
I also find deb system being the best. Managed with aptitude, not apt.
Windows is definitely worth the effort.
Best Regards,
Rob
In <ma************ *************** ************@py thon.org>, Rob Sinclar
wrote:
Synaptic is using aptitude as back-end (this is serious).
Why can I deinstall aptitude without deinstalling synaptic then!?
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
Synaptic is using aptitude as back-end (this is serious).
No. It uses apt.
I also find deb system being the best. Managed with aptitude, not apt.
Windows is definitely worth the effort.
aptitude as well as synaptic both depend transitive upon debconf, which
depends on apt.
Use
apt-cache dotty synaptic
to explore the dependency-graph.
Diez
Synaptic is using aptitude as back-end (this is serious).
>
Why can I deinstall aptitude without deinstalling synaptic then!?
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
Hi,
This is because Aptitude is an independant console application
that is very useful to users working on linux machines without
X server installed.
Synaptic is the interface which leads the underlying application.
Synaptic is often installed with a
$ aptitude install synaptic
Best Regards,
Rob
Sybren Stuvel wrote:
Vincent Delporte enlightened us with:
I'm thinking of using Python to build the prototype for a business
web appplication.
Why just the prototype?
I don't know about Vincent, but I once worked in a "C++" shop where all
other languages were actively discouraged. I would build my prototypes
in Python to show proof of concept because I could do it quickly. It
was also nice to show project managers so they could verify it was what
they wanted us to build before we dedicated a full time effort to
development.
I recall once prototype I created in wxWindows; when I showed it to my
boss he exclaimed "That's Python!?". He was amazed because it looked
just like the windows apps we developed!
Having moved on to another company where we develop in Python
full-time, I hear my former shop now has many Python (and Perl and
Java) programmers.
In <ma************ *************** ************@py thon.org>, Rob Sinclar
wrote:
Synaptic is using aptitude as back-end (this is serious).
Why can I deinstall aptitude without deinstalling synaptic then!?
This is because Aptitude is an independant console application
that is very useful to users working on linux machines without
X server installed.
I know what aptitude is…
Synaptic is the interface which leads the underlying application.
…but I ask why I can deinstall it and still use synaptic if it's using
aptitude as back-end as you seriously claim!?
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
Nick Vatamaniuc schreef:
I found Komodo to
be too slow on my machine, SPE was also slow, was crashing on me and
had strange gui issues,
I hope you didn't install SPE from the MOTU repositories with synaptic
or apt-get. I use SPE myself daily on Ubuntu and wrote this howto
install SPE on Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthre...light=wxpython
I know that others are running SPE on Ubuntu without problems. The main
point is not to use SPE from the repositories, but from the SPE
website. If the howto is too much just download the -nosetup.zip
Stani
-- http://pythonide.stani.be
Stani,
Thanks. I'll definetly give SPE another try.
You have a great editor with features that others don't have.
I'll try it with the latest wxPython.
I never really thought SPE was the problem, it seemed like a lot of
issues I saw were from wxWidgets...
Nick V.
SPE - Stani's Python Editor wrote:
Nick Vatamaniuc schreef:
I found Komodo to
be too slow on my machine, SPE was also slow, was crashing on me and
had strange gui issues,
I hope you didn't install SPE from the MOTU repositories with synaptic
or apt-get. I use SPE myself daily on Ubuntu and wrote this howto
install SPE on Ubuntu:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthre...light=wxpython
I know that others are running SPE on Ubuntu without problems. The main
point is not to use SPE from the repositories, but from the SPE
website. If the howto is too much just download the -nosetup.zip
Stani
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