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Hello,

I am working on a project in Python, and I"m
currently
looking into the possibiliy of writing some of the
project"s modules in Java. Given that a large part of
the code is already written in Python, using the
standard libraries and several extension modules, I
am
trying to gauge the viability of integration with
Java
via Jython with minimal impact on present code, on
the
complexity of future code, and on deadlines!

I need to know in general how dirty it will be to
combine the two languages, and what the costs I
should
take into account are. I"m also interested to know if
there are any commonly accepted strategies to fully
switch project languages (I"m considering, in the
extreme case, to change it all into Java), and if
writing some modules in Java and replacing the rest
gradually makes sense.

Three more specific questions I thought of:
1. Is is possible to pack a Jython/Java program in a
py2exe-like fashion? Is it possible to pack in such a
way both Python, Jython and Java code?
2. Does transferring large data structures between
Java and Python code running by Jython have a
significant effect on memory? For example, would
passing the result of a large database query from
Java
to Jython, for further processing, cause the entire
data to be duplicated or something similar?
3. Did I miss anything fundemental?

Thanks!

Joe.
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Jul 18 '05 #1
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Joachim Boomberschloss wrote:
the code is already written in Python, using the
standard libraries and several extension modules


One thing to keep in mind is that Jython does not
integrate CPython, instead it "understand s" python code
directly. So if you have a C extension that works with python
it won't work with Jython.

My feeling is that if you had a lot of Java code written and
wanted to build on that with python Jython would be a better
fit than vice versa.

Istvan.
Jul 18 '05 #2
It is possible, though possibly painful, to call java modules from
CPython using JNI. This is more difficult than Jython integration, but
probably required if you want to keep using your extension modules.

The JNI tutorial is available at
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutor...1.1/index.html .

I probably would not take this approach unless java offered some
incredibly substantial benefit or I was integrating a complex python
system with a complex java sytem. I would also probably start by
creating a good C API to access the required java modules via JNI and
then use SWIG (http://www.swig.org/) to generate the python wrapper.

Of course if you can drop the extension modules you have already
written, accessing Java from Jython is just an import statement away.
Good luck,

Chris

Jul 18 '05 #3
How about this?
http://jpype.sourceforge.net/

(I haven't used it myself)

Jul 18 '05 #4
In article <sP************ ********@gigane ws.com>,
Istvan Albert <ia*****@mailbl ocks.com> wrote:
Joachim Boomberschloss wrote:
the code is already written in Python, using the
standard libraries and several extension modules


One thing to keep in mind is that Jython does not
integrate CPython, instead it "understand s" python code
directly. So if you have a C extension that works with python
it won't work with Jython.

My feeling is that if you had a lot of Java code written and
wanted to build on that with python Jython would be a better
fit than vice versa.

Istvan.


There are other possibilities, though, including JPE
<URL: http://jpe.sourceforge.net >. I recommend the
original poster consider the latter.
Jul 18 '05 #5
Can someone summarize in a nutshell what is the
difference between JPype and JPE?
Jul 18 '05 #6
In article <34************ *@individual.ne t>,
Jon Perez <jb********@wah oo.com> wrote:
Can someone summarize in a nutshell what is the
difference between JPype and JPE?


JPE's the original. It provided more functionality than JPype has
achieved so far, I believe (though that could change any day). I
think no one now maintains JPE.

Someone really ought to include a couple of sentences to that effect
on the front page of <URL: http://jpype.sf.net/ >.
Jul 18 '05 #7
Cameron Laird wrote:
In article <34************ *@individual.ne t>,
Jon Perez <jb********@wah oo.com> wrote:
Can someone summarize in a nutshell what is the
difference between JPype and JPE?

JPE's the original. It provided more functionality than JPype has
achieved so far, I believe (though that could change any day). I
think no one now maintains JPE.

Someone really ought to include a couple of sentences to that effect
on the front page of <URL: http://jpype.sf.net/ >.


Well, Cameron summed it up pretty good :)

I'd add that The only major (and yes I know it is VERY major)
funtionailty missing in JPype is the ability to subclass Java classes in
Python.

On the other hand JPype will (soon) have functionality that JPE doesnt
have. Java arrays can already (in 0.4) be iterated as regular Python
collections. Version 0.5 will add that same behavior for Java
collections (Map, List, Set, Iterator).

Of course, the above is based on the JPE documentation, because I havent
been able to get JPE to work.

About Cameron's suggestion, sure. I'll do it as soon as I (or someone
else) can get both JPype and JPE to work so they can be compared through
more than just their respective documentation.

Steve
a.k.a devilwolf on sourceforge
Jul 18 '05 #8
Cameron Laird wrote:
Someone really ought to include a couple of sentences to that effect
on the front page of <URL: http://jpype.sf.net/ >.


Now I remember visiting this site, but never understood how it
actually worked. Examples such as:

from jpype import *
startJVM("d:/tools/j2sdk/jre/bin/client/jvm.dll", "-ea")
java.lang.Syste m.out.println(" hello world")
shutdownJVM()

in three different versions are the only code examples
that to show "complete" working snippets. I'm still
clueless as to how would one say share a list between
python and java.

Istvan.
Jul 18 '05 #9
Istvan Albert wrote:
Now I remember visiting this site, but never understood how it
actually worked. Examples such as:

from jpype import *
startJVM("d:/tools/j2sdk/jre/bin/client/jvm.dll", "-ea")
java.lang.Syste m.out.println(" hello world")
shutdownJVM()

in three different versions are the only code examples
that to show "complete" working snippets. I'm still
clueless as to how would one say share a list between
python and java.


A while ago there was a thread in c.l.p about using JPype to access JMS
from within Python. IIRC someone then contributed a more elaborate real
life example of how to do this. Search Google Groups for more details.

Regards,
Jan
Jul 18 '05 #10

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