The pragmatic programmers (Dave & Andy) are spreading a good word about
RubyOnRails. I was wondering if there are any Python programmers who are
/also/ familiar with Rails - and if they could recommend something in the
Python world that is comparable.
-Flab
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flab ba wrote: The pragmatic programmers (Dave & Andy) are spreading a good word about
RubyOnRails. I was wondering if there are any Python programmers who are
/also/ familiar with Rails - and if they could recommend something in the
Python world that is comparable.
I googled for that to learn about it. Saw a note in the home page
of rubyonrails.org from Oct 11 about them having a new bug tracker
working!
"Cool," sez I, a fan of issue trackers in general, "Let's see
what these Ruby guys have come up with for a bug tracker."
It's Trac.
Which is implemented in Python. ;-)
I guess that justifies the term "pragmatic" above, anyway.
(I haven't yet learned much about Rails, unfortunately, since
the web site is excrutiatingly slow right now. Maybe it will
be faster another time...)
To the OP: there are several Python "applicatio n frameworks"
which on the surface appear to be similar in goal to Rails.
I don't know much about them, and at the moment even their
names aren't coming to me, so I can't help more than that.
I think a search for "enterprise application framework Python"
would probably turn up at least one of them.
-Peter
Peter Hansen <pe***@engcorp. com> wrote:
flab ba wrote: The pragmatic programmers (Dave & Andy) are spreading a good word about
RubyOnRails. I was wondering if there are any Python programmers who are
/also/ familiar with Rails - and if they could recommend something in the
Python world that is comparable.
I googled for that to learn about it. Saw a note in the home page
of rubyonrails.org from Oct 11 about them having a new bug tracker
working!
"Cool," sez I, a fan of issue trackers in general, "Let's see
what these Ruby guys have come up with for a bug tracker."
It's Trac.
You'll notice a project linked from the RubyOnRails site: Basecamp
( www.basecamphq.com), which looks quite spiffy.
- Josiah
""I think a search for "enterprise application framework Python"
would probably turn up at least one of them.""
Hmm, indeed, that search practically screamed Peak, the Python
Enterprise Application Kit, which looks fascinating at http://peak.telecommunity.com/ . Does anyone have any experience with
PEAK or knowledge about it?
Ron Stephens
Josiah Carlson wrote: You'll notice a project linked from the RubyOnRails site: Basecamp
(www.basecamphq.com), which looks quite spiffy.
Spiffy indeed!
(I'm sure there's an obvious answer, but I'm curious why
they didn't use Basecamp instead of Trac for their bug tracker...)
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:24:31 -0700, Josiah Carlson wrote:
Peter Hansen <pe***@engcorp. com> wrote:
flab ba wrote: > The pragmatic programmers (Dave & Andy) are spreading a good word about
> RubyOnRails. I was wondering if there are any Python programmers who are
> /also/ familiar with Rails - and if they could recommend something in the
> Python world that is comparable.
I googled for that to learn about it. Saw a note in the home page
of rubyonrails.org from Oct 11 about them having a new bug tracker
working!
"Cool," sez I, a fan of issue trackers in general, "Let's see
what these Ruby guys have come up with for a bug tracker."
It's Trac.
You'll notice a project linked from the RubyOnRails site: Basecamp
(www.basecamphq.com), which looks quite spiffy.
- Josiah
You're right - that web site does look quite spiffy. I was deciding on
Quixote for my web app framework, but even the author claims that it isn't
the right framework if you think a website is a graphics design problem.
I'm not a graphics designer, but I need more spiffyness than the MEMS web
site - which is done in Quixote.
-Alex
Peter Hansen <pe***@engcorp. com> wrote:
Josiah Carlson wrote: You'll notice a project linked from the RubyOnRails site: Basecamp
(www.basecamphq.com), which looks quite spiffy.
Spiffy indeed!
(I'm sure there's an obvious answer, but I'm curious why
they didn't use Basecamp instead of Trac for their bug tracker...)
This is what I can tell (in the 5 minutes reading their web sites):
1. Trac was implemented when they started RubyOnRails, so they used it
because it fit with what they were doing.
2. RubyOnRails was developed.
3. Someone implemented Basecamp using RubyOnRails as a framework.
You can't really build an application before you build a framework, and
switching project management is, from what I hear, quite a bitch.
- Josiah
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:36:29 -0800, Ron Stephens wrote: ""I think a search for "enterprise application framework Python"
would probably turn up at least one of them.""
Hmm, indeed, that search practically screamed Peak, the Python
Enterprise Application Kit, which looks fascinating at
http://peak.telecommunity.com/ . Does anyone have any experience with
PEAK or knowledge about it?
Ron Stephens
Umm, Peak and Rails don't even look remotely similar in what they try to
accomplish.
-Flab
flab ba <fl**@large.net > wrote:
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:24:31 -0700, Josiah Carlson wrote:
You'll notice a project linked from the RubyOnRails site: Basecamp
(www.basecamphq.com), which looks quite spiffy.
- Josiah
You're right - that web site does look quite spiffy. I was deciding on
Quixote for my web app framework, but even the author claims that it isn't
the right framework if you think a website is a graphics design problem.
I'm not a graphics designer, but I need more spiffyness than the MEMS web
site - which is done in Quixote.
I have no experience with any web development frameworks, so have little
to say in regards to them. I hope that Quixote, or whichever framework
you choose, ends up being the right choice for you.
- Josiah
Josiah Carlson wrote: Peter Hansen <pe***@engcorp. com> wrote:(I'm sure there's an obvious answer, but I'm curious why
they didn't use Basecamp instead of Trac for their bug tracker...)
This is what I can tell (in the 5 minutes reading their web sites):
1. Trac was implemented when they started RubyOnRails, so they used it
because it fit with what they were doing.
2. RubyOnRails was developed.
3. Someone implemented Basecamp using RubyOnRails as a framework.
You can't really build an application before you build a framework, and
switching project management is, from what I hear, quite a bitch.
You're turning this into a mystery then. :-) The announcement
that they "have finally taken the step to get a real bug tracker"
came on October 11, 2004. All the issues in it were added recently.
If they developed RubyOnRails since then, these guys are the
fastest damn programmers on the planet. I gotta get me some
of that Ruby! ;-)
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