up with PyGUI!

[Zooko O'Whielacronx]

I'm a fan of Greg Ewing's PyGUI [1]. I used it to code a simple game
for my son [2], and enjoyed it. Programming with wxPython feels like
programming with a C++ tool that has been wrapped in Python.
Programming with PyGUI feels like programming with a real Python tool.

If you're developing a commercial application in Python, wxPython is
currently the only option that offers native widgets on w32. It would
be a boost for Python if PyGUI got a native w32 backend.

Therefore, I offer the following suggestions:

Python programmers: use PyGUI! It's nice. Contribute bug reports and
so forth.

Python developers: Is it too early to include PyGUI in the standard
library? It seems stable to me.

PSF: If anyone applies for a grant [3] to put a proper w32 backend into
PyGUI, please give them money. I would offer to do that job myself,
but (a) I'm not w32 expert and (b) I'm busy trying to make one of those
aforementioned commercial apps.

Thanks,

Zooko, Journeyman Hacker

[1] http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~greg/python_gui/
[2] http://zooko.com/log-2004.html#d2004-06-23
[3] http://python.org/psf/call-2004.html

[Jorge Godoy]

"Zooko O'Whielacronx" <zo***@zooko.co m> writes:

If you're developing a commercial application in Python, wxPython is
currently the only option that offers native widgets on w32. It would
be a boost for Python if PyGUI got a native w32 backend.

Indeed... But first, I'm curious about how it looks. I don't
understand why people make GUI projects without any screenshot available
on their own website. How can we see how it looks without downloading,
it?
BTW, I got really interested on the tool used to draw the diagrams on
this page:
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~gr...ownership.html

Be seeing you,
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[pitkali]

Jorge Godoy wrote:

Indeed... But first, I'm curious about how it looks. I don't
understand why people make GUI projects without any screenshot available
on their own website. How can we see how it looks without downloading,
it?

It says explicitly what toolkits are used. Don't you know how gtk2 looks
like?

Regards,

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[Phil Frost]

I don't know exactly what was used, but I have used dia to make such
things before.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 02:24:02PM -0300, Jorge Godoy wrote:

[...]

BTW, I got really interested on the tool used to draw the diagrams on
this page:
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~gr...ownership.html

[Jorge Godoy]

pitkali <pi*****@NOSPAM interia.pl> writes:

Jorge Godoy wrote:

Indeed... But first, I'm curious about how it looks. I don't
understand why people make GUI projects without any screenshot available
on their own website. How can we see how it looks without downloading,
it?

It says explicitly what toolkits are used. Don't you know how gtk2 looks
like?

Yes, I do, but I don't know how it is supposed to look like from this
toolit perspective... If I wanted everything exactly like GTK2, I'd
probably use it.

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Godoy. <go***@ieee.org >

[Skip Montanaro]

Jorge> Indeed... But first, I'm curious about how it looks. I don't
Jorge> understand why people make GUI projects without any screenshot
Jorge> available on their own website. How can we see how it looks
Jorge> without downloading, it?

On Unix and Windows it looks like any GTK app. On MacOSX I presume (haven't
tried it there yet) it looks like any other Mac app.

Skip

[Skip Montanaro]

Jorge> Yes, I do, but I don't know how it is supposed to look like from
Jorge> this toolit perspective... If I wanted everything exactly like
Jorge> GTK2, I'd probably use it.

That's not what PyGUI is about. It's about a better, standard API for
creating GUI apps.

Skip

[Alex Martelli]

Jorge Godoy <go***@ieee.org > wrote:
...

It says explicitly what toolkits are used. Don't you know how gtk2 looks
like?

Yes, I do, but I don't know how it is supposed to look like from this
toolit perspective... If I wanted everything exactly like GTK2, I'd
probably use it.

....and then it would look the same on a Mac, instead of a nice Aqua
lool, right...?

It seems to me that the point of PyGUI is ease of programming, rather
than look-and-feel, which are supposed to be native on each platform
(except no native win32 is supported yet, as far as I understand).
Alex

[Hans Nowak]

Zooko O'Whielacronx wrote:

I'm a fan of Greg Ewing's PyGUI [1]. I used it to code a simple game
for my son [2], and enjoyed it. Programming with wxPython feels like
programming with a C++ tool that has been wrapped in Python.

This problem is addressed by Wax:

http://zephyrfalcon.org/labs/dope_on_wax.html
http://zephyrfalcon.org/labs/wax_primer.html
http://zephyrfalcon.org/moin.cgi/Wax
http://zephyrfalcon.org/labs/wax_file_explorer.html

(Sorry, no real homepage is available yet for Wax.)

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http://zephyrfalcon.org/

[Jorge Godoy]

al*****@yahoo.c om (Alex Martelli) writes:

Jorge Godoy <go***@ieee.org > wrote:
...

> It says explicitly what toolkits are used. Don't you know how gtk2 looks
> like?

Yes, I do, but I don't know how it is supposed to look like from this
toolit perspective... If I wanted everything exactly like GTK2, I'd
probably use it.

...and then it would look the same on a Mac, instead of a nice Aqua
lool, right...?

It seems to me that the point of PyGUI is ease of programming, rather
than look-and-feel, which are supposed to be native on each platform
(except no native win32 is supported yet, as far as I understand).

This was the point when I asked for screenshots. ;-)

I was just answering to the "you know how GTK2 looks like" question.

Even with a nice description and with the used toolkits described, I see
no reason to not include a screenshot or at least an hiperlink to some
screenshots.

It is weird see a GUI project with no GUI screen in its description.

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