Sorta noob question - file vs. open?

[Peter A. Schott]

Been reading the docs saying that file should replace open in our code, but this
doesn't seem to work:

# Open file for writing, write something, close file
MyFile = file("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

However, using:
MyFile = open("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

I have no problems.

I'm sure that I'm missing something here about using open vs file, but am not
sure what. Probably just mis-read something. If anyone can point me to what I
didn't quite get, I'd appreciate the information.

Thanks.

-Pete

[Scott David Daniels]

Peter A. Schott wrote:

Been reading the docs saying that file should replace open in our code, but this
doesn't seem to work: This was really a misstatement; open is still preferred. file is now
a built in class, and its constructor is the same as open. I think the
current docs have been fixed.
# Open file for writing, write something, close file
MyFile = file("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close() But you've given us no idea what went wrong.
However, using:
MyFile = open("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

I cannot help you if you don't tell me what went wrong.

Both bits of code seem to do the same thing for me.
--Scott David Daniels
Sc***********@A cm.Org

[Russell E. Owen]

In article <6a************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
Peter A. Schott <pa******@no.ya hoo.spamm.com> wrote:

Been reading the docs saying that file should replace open in our code, but
this
doesn't seem to work:

# Open file for writing, write something, close file
MyFile = file("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write(" This is a test.")
MyFile.close ()

This should work in a sufficiently recent version of python (I'm hedging
because I don't recall when file was introduced -- python 2.2? 2.3?).
What version are you using? What error do you see?

-- Russell

[Jason Drew]

Both your code snippets above work should work OK. If it seems like a
file isn't being written, maybe you should specify its full path so you
are sure about where to check for it.

On the file-or-open question, the Python docs state, "The intent is for
open() to continue to be preferred for use as a factory function which
returns a new file object."

I happen to know that because it was clarified for me recently by a few
posters in this informative thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....c7fbacf0866763
(which didn't start out as a file-or-open discussion, but there you
go).

Hope this helps,
Jason

[Steve Holden]

Peter A.Schott wrote:

Been reading the docs saying that file should replace open in our code, but this
doesn't seem to work:

# Open file for writing, write something, close file
MyFile = file("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

However, using:
MyFile = open("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

I have no problems.

I'm sure that I'm missing something here about using open vs file, but am not
sure what. Probably just mis-read something. If anyone can point me to what I
didn't quite get, I'd appreciate the information.

Thanks.

-Pete

I can only assume you are using an older version of Python:

$ python
Python 2.4.1 (#1, May 27 2005, 18:02:40)
[GCC 3.3.3 (cygwin special)] on cygwin
Type "help", "copyright" , "credits" or "license" for more information.

open is file True

regards
Steve
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Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/

[Fredrik Lundh]

Peter A.Schott wrote:

Been reading the docs saying that file should replace open in our code,
but this
doesn't seem to work:
what docs?

"open" is the preferred way to open a file. "file" is a type constructor.
in contemporary python, they happen to map to the same callable, but
that's not necessarily something that will also apply to future releases.
see:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyt...ly/045921.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyt...ly/045967.html
# Open file for writing, write something, close file
MyFile = file("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()
instead of saying that something "doesn't seem to work", it's always
more helpful to explain what happens. do you get a traceback? what
does the traceback say?
However, using:
MyFile = open("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

I have no problems.

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[Peter A. Schott]

I'll have to try this again. I obviously did something wrong in my code. I was
getting errors about not being able to write a string because it wasn't
supported. It was driving me nuts for a while until I just gave up and went
back to open(). I'll do some more playing and if I continue to get errors, I'll
post the code I'm using at the time along with any errors I got.

I apologize for not including the details. A thread I was reading reminded me
about that odd behaviour from a couple of weeks ago and I wanted to see if I was
way off base as I could consistently reproduce it then on Python 2.4.1.

Thanks to all who replied. If open is still preferred, I will stick with that.
:-)

-Pete

Scott David Daniels <Sc***********@ Acm.Org> wrote:

Peter A. Schott wrote:

Been reading the docs saying that file should replace open in our code, but this
doesn't seem to work:

This was really a misstatement; open is still preferred. file is now
a built in class, and its constructor is the same as open. I think the
current docs have been fixed.

# Open file for writing, write something, close file
MyFile = file("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

But you've given us no idea what went wrong.

However, using:
MyFile = open("MyFile.tx t", "w")
MyFile.write("T his is a test.")
MyFile.close()

I cannot help you if you don't tell me what went wrong.

Both bits of code seem to do the same thing for me.
--Scott David Daniels
Sc***********@A cm.Org

[Scott David Daniels]

Peter A. Schott wrote:

I'll have to try this again. I obviously did something wrong in my code. I was
getting errors about not being able to write a string because it wasn't
supported. It was driving me nuts for a while until I just gave up and went
back to open().

I expect somewhere previously in the same frame (perhaps the
interpreter top level) you had done either "file = open(...)"
or "file = file(...)" which would prevent you from getting to the
file in __builtins__.

--Scott David Daniels
Sc***********@A cm.Org

[Peter Hansen]

Peter A. Schott wrote:

Thanks to all who replied. If open is still preferred, I will
stick with that.

FWIW, that's not an unqualified "preferred" . To demonstrate by example,
neither of the above is considered preferred, though they both work:

outputFile = file('path.to.f ile')

if isinstance(outp utFile, open): ...

whereas these _are_ preferred:

outputFile = open('path.to.f ile')

if isinstance(outp utFile, file): ...

-Peter