I have been using java (jsp/servlets), vb/asp and perl for a few years.
Almost all my projects are web site development related, and many of my
clients' web sites are hosted on those shared web hosting services.
The problem is that it's difficult to find hosting services with Python
installed and supported. And most hosting companies are reluctant to
install it for you because they don't want to do the extra work(they
would always say to me, why don't you use php or java or asp or per?).
I have searched and found some companies that support Python. But still
there are far few choices than other options.
I am sure this issue has already been raised a billion times. I just
feel very frustrated on this. I want to learn and use Python in my web
projects.
One day in last December I decided to learn Python, because of Bruce
Eckel's recommendation on his web site (I started java with his book).
After writing a few scripts (each with a hundred lines or less), I
really liked Python, even though at first to me, it has a very
different style and mindset from my accustomed java approach. I enjoyed
the experience and was ready to delve into the OO and other aspect of
Python.
But because of the hosting issue, I stopped and since then have spent
more time on php, and it seems that I would soon become a full time
PHPer now.
I really wish Python could be more widely available on web server
machines. This is just my own experience and I would like to hear your
comments.
19  1819 
<snip> I really wish Python could be more widely available on web server
machines. This is just my own experience and I would like to hear your
comments.
I would like a pony... no, wait, even better, a unicorn!
Peace
Bill Mill
bill.mill at gmail.com
PS (the gist is, why don't you offer some constructive comments,
instead of ones we can do nothing about?)
Kevin wrote: I have been using java (jsp/servlets), vb/asp and perl for a few years.
Almost all my projects are web site development related, and many of my
clients' web sites are hosted on those shared web hosting services.
The problem is that it's difficult to find hosting services with Python
installed and supported.
See http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonHosting and remember that Google
is your friend.
--
Benji York
There are plenty of webhosts that offer python, do a little research.
"Kevin" <81****@gmail.c om> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g44g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. . The problem is that it's difficult to find hosting services with Python
installed and supported.
The Python Wiki has lists of both free and commercial hosting services.
The top page is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonHosting. Did you look at
these? Are the choices inadequate? (I have no idea, never having been
involved with the subject.)
.... I am sure this issue has already been raised a billion times.
Yes, that is why the wiki pages were added. Improvements are welcome, I
presume.
..... I really wish Python could be more widely available on web server
machines. This is just my own experience and I would like to hear your
comments.
We all wish that. But in my ignorance, I wonder why the few that there are
are so insufficient that you would drop Python (for PHP, no less). Do
clients require that you use specific hosting services, even though they do
not host a preferred package? Do the few Python hosters that there are,
knowing that they are few, exploit Python developers with high rates or
other obnoxious policies? This issue has been raised enough that I really
am curious.
Terry J. Reedy
Kevin <81****@gmail.c om> wrote: The problem is that it's difficult to find hosting services with Python
installed and supported.
I just googled for ["web hosting" python] and got 1,250,000 hits. I
can personally recommend panix.com, but there's plenty of other
choices too.
Kevin wrote:
<cut, can't get as many python web hosters as I want>
Well, for some strange reason I have never found that to be a problem.
But that is perhaps because I'm an administrator and I want full root
access, install the OS as I see fit and don't want others on the same
(virtual)box. So hosting doesn't work for me I need colo or dedicated.
Mostly I slap DragonFlyBSD( or NetBSD if the other doesn't run smoothly)
with PostgreSQL, Mod_python/Apache and some other handy tools like
tripwire. The advantage is that I am the administrator, the
dis-advantage is that I am the administrator :-).
Here in the Netherlands I can get 1HE colo for 95EUR/month, a reasonable
price IMO.
You can always rent space at different providers (for fail-over) install
the machines just as your like it and rerent your own shared web
hosting. Then you can have all the goodies you want and still be in the
price range of comparible hosters.
--
mph
Thank you all for the messages. I agree with Bill on that I was just
whining here. I should do a bit more research.
I guess I am just getting accustomed to the endless supplies of asp/php
hosting services. All I need to do is shopping for the lowest
price/good service. But it's not the case for Python, so for a newbie
like me it's a little discouraging. Now I have more information I will
look into it, and hopefully can pick up Phthon again. To tell you the
truth, after perl, java, vb, and (some) php and groovy, I want to
settle down on something (along with java). That maybe the reason of my
frustration. :-)
Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Kevin wrote:
<cut, can't get as many python web hosters as I want>
Well, for some strange reason I have never found that to be a problem.
If you develop software for an external customer, and they have
an existing web site run by some ISP that you have no control over,
this might well be a problem.
Even if the customer is in control of their web servers, it might be
difficult to convince them to install and maintain something like
Python on them.
I find it a bit surprising that so many people on comp.lang.pytho n
don't realize what kind of practical complications most commercial
software developers have to struggle with if they don't just follow
the mainstream and use PHP or Java for all web apps.
My ISP (FS Data in Sweden) has Python installed, and always upgraded
it when I asked them (but only then, so I suspect I'm the only user--
and this is one of the biggest ISPs in Sweden).
Even if I have access to Python, they don't allow me to have my own
long running processes, so I'm stuck with CGI, which wouldn't work
very well with a much higher load than my moin has. (Actually, I
didn't really need more, so I haven't asked for mod_python support
etc.)
Colocation is certainly getting much cheaper, my ISP charges much less
than 95EUR/month.(295 SEK). Still, it would certainly be great if
mod_python, twisted and zope support etc would be as common as mod_perl
or PHP support. We can only get that if we actively ask for it, and if
we really favour vendors that provide this support when we can.
Just because a hosting service doesn't list Python on their web page
doesn't mean that it's not available. My company's service
(LunarPages) supports Python, and only recently has it started
appearing on their online literature.
Once you find your service based on price/support/etc., send them an
e-mail asking for Python support. The worst they can say is "no, and
we never will," but just as likely they might respond "yes, it's
already there" or "yes, we can add that".
-- Paul
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