By using this site, you agree to our updated Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Manage your Cookies Settings.
424,987 Members | 971 Online
Bytes IT Community
+ Ask a Question
Need help? Post your question and get tips & solutions from a community of 424,987 IT Pros & Developers. It's quick & easy.

Legal PHP related question!

P: n/a
jn
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if
another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks
Jul 17 '05 #1
Share this Question
Share on Google+
15 Replies


P: n/a
Why don't you start it, and then stop if someone complains?

I mean, cash in hand ain't a bad thing.
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks

Jul 17 '05 #2

P: n/a
jn
"OneSolution" <on*********@jatakainc.com> wrote in message
news:Ge*******************@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
Why don't you start it, and then stop if someone complains?

I mean, cash in hand ain't a bad thing.
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified
if
another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a

webring/network/whatever...can people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks


It's bad if I have to give it all back when the service is shut down ;)
Jul 17 '05 #3

P: n/a
I don't see how it could be.. Unless you actually have to make a copy of the
site in order to watch it..
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks

Jul 17 '05 #4

P: n/a
jn
"timmeh" <ti****@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:0OYwb.308939$Tr4.977054@attbi_s03...
I don't see how it could be.. Unless you actually have to make a copy of the site in order to watch it..
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified
if
another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a

webring/network/whatever...can people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks



The thing is, I'm setting up a site to specifically make money off of their
network. I dunno, maybe it is legal :)
Jul 17 '05 #5

P: n/a
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
The thing is, I'm setting up a site to specifically make money
off of their network. I dunno, maybe it is legal :)


Why don't you just ask them? Anyway, the way you state it here, it
sounds as if they might severely object to your plans...
Jul 17 '05 #6

P: n/a
jn
"Wald" <ar**************@n-o-s-p-a-m.cit.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@134.58.1 27.12...
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
The thing is, I'm setting up a site to specifically make money
off of their network. I dunno, maybe it is legal :)


Why don't you just ask them? Anyway, the way you state it here, it
sounds as if they might severely object to your plans...


Haha, probably :) But there are other sites that charge money to track
changes on websites. It's a little iffy. Maybe I will ask them.

Jul 17 '05 #7

P: n/a
jn wrote:
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if
another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?


IANAL, but what I would watch out for are:

1. does the website already offer *paid* update notification? If they do
then you are setting yourself up in competition. Not necessarily a bar
to you doing it, competition is protected by law usually, but could make
them take notice of you. If they offer free notification then I can't
see why they'd complain.

2. be careful about their bandwidth usage. This is the important one. If
you are scanning their whole site at 30 second intervals (say) then they
would have good cause to prosecute you for abuse of service. They could
also note this and ban your IP address killing your service.

Essentially what you are suggesting is a form of advertising for the
websites you monitor, paid for by a small(?) subscription to you. As
long as you can demonstrate benefits to the website owners then they are
likely to support you. If you start leeching their websites and charging
big bucks then you are certain to be hassled.

Jul 17 '05 #8

P: n/a
jn <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote or quoted:
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if
another site changes?


That's what http://www.netmind.com/ used to do.

Net Mind was free, though - and might not be a great example - since it
is no longer there.
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ ti*@tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply.
Jul 17 '05 #9

P: n/a
jn
"Kevin Thorpe" <ke***@pricetrak.com> wrote in message
news:3f***********************@news.easynet.co.uk. ..
jn wrote:
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can people pay me to be notified when those sites change?


IANAL, but what I would watch out for are:

1. does the website already offer *paid* update notification? If they do
then you are setting yourself up in competition. Not necessarily a bar
to you doing it, competition is protected by law usually, but could make
them take notice of you. If they offer free notification then I can't
see why they'd complain.

2. be careful about their bandwidth usage. This is the important one. If
you are scanning their whole site at 30 second intervals (say) then they
would have good cause to prosecute you for abuse of service. They could
also note this and ban your IP address killing your service.

Essentially what you are suggesting is a form of advertising for the
websites you monitor, paid for by a small(?) subscription to you. As
long as you can demonstrate benefits to the website owners then they are
likely to support you. If you start leeching their websites and charging
big bucks then you are certain to be hassled.


No, they don't have one. I'm going to be offering a system to users that I
have been using myself for a year.

It will update once or twice a day. I'm only getting the HTML of the page
remember....that's not a lot to transfer :)
Jul 17 '05 #10

P: n/a
jn

"Tim Tyler" <ti*@tt1lock.org> wrote in message news:Ho********@bath.ac.uk...
jn <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote or quoted:
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?


That's what http://www.netmind.com/ used to do.

Net Mind was free, though - and might not be a great example - since it
is no longer there.
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ ti*@tt1lock.org Remove lock to reply.


Here are some others:

http://www.trackengine.com/ , http://www.changedetection.com/ ,
http://www.infominder.com/ , and http://www.watchthatpage.com/

Some are free, some aren't. The difference is I will be targeting users of a
specific network, and they don't have to add the 300+ sites themselves one
at a time :)
Jul 17 '05 #11

P: n/a
Regarding this well-known quote, often attributed to OneSolution's famous
"Wed, 26 Nov 2003 05:54:46 GMT" speech:
Why don't you start it, and then stop if someone complains?

I mean, cash in hand ain't a bad thing.
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified

if
another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks


Or, only take down people who complain.

--
-- Rudy Fleminger
-- sp@mmers.and.evil.ones.will.bow-down-to.us
(put "Hey!" in the Subject line for priority processing!)
-- http://www.pixelsaredead.com
Jul 17 '05 #12

P: n/a
Regarding this well-known quote, often attributed to jn's famous "Wed, 26
Nov 2003 19:06:58 GMT" speech:
"Kevin Thorpe" <ke***@pricetrak.com> wrote in message
news:3f***********************@news.easynet.co.uk. ..
jn wrote:
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can people pay me to be notified when those sites change?
(smip)

It will update once or twice a day. I'm only getting the HTML of the page
remember....that's not a lot to transfer :)


If their server works right, you might be able to get away just grabbing
the last-updated headers.

--
-- Rudy Fleminger
-- sp@mmers.and.evil.ones.will.bow-down-to.us
(put "Hey!" in the Subject line for priority processing!)
-- http://www.pixelsaredead.com
Jul 17 '05 #13

P: n/a
jn
"FLEB" <so*********@mmers.and.evil.ones.will.bow-down-to.us> wrote in
message news:qx*****************************@40tude.net...
Regarding this well-known quote, often attributed to jn's famous "Wed, 26
Nov 2003 19:06:58 GMT" speech:
"Kevin Thorpe" <ke***@pricetrak.com> wrote in message
news:3f***********************@news.easynet.co.uk. ..
jn wrote:
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be

notified if
another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a

webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?
(smip)

It will update once or twice a day. I'm only getting the HTML of the page remember....that's not a lot to transfer :)


If their server works right, you might be able to get away just grabbing
the last-updated headers.

--
-- Rudy Fleminger
-- sp@mmers.and.evil.ones.will.bow-down-to.us
(put "Hey!" in the Subject line for priority processing!)
-- http://www.pixelsaredead.com


That was my first thought, but some of the pages in the network don't give
them. MD5 is pretty fast anyway :)
Jul 17 '05 #14

P: n/a

"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks


There are a few services which offer this :

http://www.netmind.com/
http://www.changedetect.com/
http://www.mymindit.com/

And others...

Some browsers have an offline viewer capability. Does not seem illegal to
me. But you should consult an attorney if in doubt.

Pablo
Jul 17 '05 #15

P: n/a
Why in the hell are you posting that here ?
Seems like it should go in alt.lawyers.somethingorother
"jn" <js******@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BP********************@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
Is it illegal for me to set up a site where people can pay to be notified if another site changes?

Let's say I use PHP to watch all sites in a webring/network/whatever...can
people pay me to be notified when those sites change?

Thanks

Jul 17 '05 #16

This discussion thread is closed

Replies have been disabled for this discussion.