phpinfo() has a "com_dotnet " section.
It's kind of odd.
Here it says...
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
What exactly is COM support?
What exactly is DCOM support?
And what exactly is .net support? And why would it say
enabled when .NET is not installed?
DCOM means an ActiveX file gets used. COM pretty much
means the same thing. Those files tend to be based upon
an object model and have a few extra functions there to
help with various programming environments.
ordinal hint RVA name
1 0 000017A6 DllCanUnloadNow
2 1 0000177A DllGetClassObje ct
3 2 00001790 DllRegisterServ er
4 3 00001764 DllUnregisterSe rver
Other than that COM is not much different than standard
libraries.
And DCOM... that one seems like it might be a COM file put
into a publicly accessible folder, but I'll need some more
help here, if such is available, because something is not
sitting too well here.
Thanks.
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Jim Carlock wrote:
phpinfo() has a "com_dotnet " section.
It's kind of odd.
Here it says...
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
What exactly is COM support?
What exactly is DCOM support?
And what exactly is .net support? And why would it say
enabled when .NET is not installed?
Those are all Microsoft thingies.
COM is the Component Object Model - a version of the Windows Foundation
Classes.
DCOM is distributed COM - a patchwork add-on of Win95 that was added
because when 95 came out, MS had not considered certain internet
implications.
..NET is MS's latest attempt to build an all-in-one,
everything-to-everybody architecture.
And DCOM... that one seems like it might be a COM file put
into a publicly accessible folder, but I'll need some more
help here, if such is available, because something is not
sitting too well here.
Here it says...
>
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
"Sanders Kaufman" wrote...
: Those are all Microsoft thingies.
:
: COM is the Component Object Model - a version of the Windows
: Foundation Classes.
COM was originally called OLE (object linking and embedding).
Basically any regular libary DLL can become COM if it includes
some extra OLE functions to handle object creation, and letting
the system know that it can create classful objects. Microsoft
adopted new words like, ActiveX and COM to replace OLE (it sounds
so much better!). The ActiveX libraries (files) were later branded
into two different types of COM, called distributed COM and COM.
: DCOM is distributed COM - a patchwork add-on of Win95 that
: was added because when 95 came out, MS had not considered
: certain internet implications. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distrib...t_Object_Model
DCOM was originally called network OLE. And it's based upon RPC.
Does it have a place in PHP? As far as communicating via HTTP,
does anyone use it and can anyone provide an example of it's use?
I've used GET and POST to get things accomplished with PHP, I'm
curious as to how to use DCOM with PHP.
: .NET is MS's latest attempt to build an all-in-one,
: everything-to-everybody architecture.
And I'm wondering why PHP says .net support = enabled where
..net is NOT installed. I'm baffled by this one. It appears PHP
looks for one specific file and it exists, PHP declares .net
enabled, but .net is actually at least a 50MB package of files
which fill a few folders.
--
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Swimming Pool, Spa And Water Feature Builders http://www.aquaticcreationsnc.com/
Jim Carlock wrote:
And I'm wondering why PHP says .net support = enabled where
..net is NOT installed. I'm baffled by this one. It appears PHP
looks for one specific file and it exists, PHP declares .net
enabled, but .net is actually at least a 50MB package of files
which fill a few folders.
I seem to recall something from the docs in which the PHP folks
strangely note that this is just a place-holder for something they hope
to have PHP doing in the future.
It's kinda like building a car with a sticker where the gas gauge should be.
"Jim Carlock" <an*******@127. 0.0.1wrote in message
news:46******** *************** @roadrunner.com ...
>Here it says...
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
And I'm wondering why PHP says .net support = enabled where
.net is NOT installed. I'm baffled by this one. It appears PHP
looks for one specific file and it exists, PHP declares .net
enabled, but .net is actually at least a 50MB package of files
which fill a few folders.
..net support has nothing to do with .net being installed on a system,
actually. it means that the ability for php to interact with .net has been
enabled. the php source code that handles such interactions comes in the
form of a c/c++ module that gets included in php when 1) the module exists
and 2) is included as an argument when php is compiled before its use as an
A) executable cgi, B) dll, or C) other module (as commonly used in
conjunction with apache).
whether or not .net itself is installed is a seperate issue. php .net
support enabled simply means that you have the ability to use .net through
php...of course, .net must be installed unless you intend to have php throw
errors at you when you do try to use .net and the framework isn't there.
btw, the .net framework is well over 50MB.
does all that make sense?
Steve wrote:
"Jim Carlock" <an*******@127. 0.0.1wrote in message
news:46******** *************** @roadrunner.com ...
>>Here it says...
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
And I'm wondering why PHP says .net support = enabled where
.net is NOT installed. I'm baffled by this one. It appears PHP
looks for one specific file and it exists, PHP declares .net
enabled, but .net is actually at least a 50MB package of files
which fill a few folders.
.net support has nothing to do with .net being installed on a system,
actually. it means that the ability for php to interact with .net has been
enabled. the php source code that handles such interactions comes in the
form of a c/c++ module that gets included in php when 1) the module exists
and 2) is included as an argument when php is compiled before its use as an
A) executable cgi, B) dll, or C) other module (as commonly used in
conjunction with apache).
whether or not .net itself is installed is a seperate issue. php .net
support enabled simply means that you have the ability to use .net through
php...of course, .net must be installed unless you intend to have php throw
errors at you when you do try to use .net and the framework isn't there.
btw, the .net framework is well over 50MB.
does all that make sense?
Nope. By your argument, MySQL support would be enabled whether or not
the MySQL libraries are installed or not. But it isn't.
PHP cannot integrate with something which does not exist. But
obviously, since the extension is experimental, they still have some
bugs to work out.
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"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attg lobal.netwrote in message
news:3_******** *************** *******@comcast .com...
Steve wrote:
>"Jim Carlock" <an*******@127. 0.0.1wrote in message
news:46******* *************** *@roadrunner.co m...
>>>Here it says...
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
And I'm wondering why PHP says .net support = enabled where
.net is NOT installed. I'm baffled by this one. It appears PHP
looks for one specific file and it exists, PHP declares .net
enabled, but .net is actually at least a 50MB package of files
which fill a few folders.
.net support has nothing to do with .net being installed on a system,
actually. it means that the ability for php to interact with .net has
been enabled. the php source code that handles such interactions comes in
the form of a c/c++ module that gets included in php when 1) the module
exists and 2) is included as an argument when php is compiled before its
use as an A) executable cgi, B) dll, or C) other module (as commonly used
in conjunction with apache).
whether or not .net itself is installed is a seperate issue. php .net
support enabled simply means that you have the ability to use .net
through php...of course, .net must be installed unless you intend to have
php throw errors at you when you do try to use .net and the framework
isn't there.
btw, the .net framework is well over 50MB.
does all that make sense?
Nope. By your argument, MySQL support would be enabled whether or not the
MySQL libraries are installed or not. But it isn't.
perhaps i'm just not being clear enough. i can build php with or without
mysql support. and on my system, mysql may or may not be installed. if i
don't build in mysql support, i cannot use mysql calls to a mysql db. if i
do compile php with mysql support yet do not mysql installed, i can make the
mysql calls from php but they will all fail...mysql is not installed on my
system (assuming i'm connecting on the same pc). however, if i both compile
php with mysql support *and* have mysql installed, then things should go
smoothly. this assumes that mysql is compilable in its entirety into php and
doesn't have to be loaded into php whenever php is used (this assumption is
not due to my lack of understanding on how php and mysql work, but is to
more relate to how .net support is provided by php).
while php may very well provide mysql libraries, it certainly has no
relationship to microsoft such that it would warrant providing the .net
framework especially given how bulky it is and the frequency at which it is
updated and outdated.
PHP cannot integrate with something which does not exist. But obviously,
since the extension is experimental, they still have some bugs to work
out.
yes, which is what i was trying to state...i just didn't go into the
'experimental' part of it. if i need to use .net developed source in php, i
just compile it to a standard COM object and use php's COM function to
consume it. works for me.
Steve wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attg lobal.netwrote in message
news:3_******** *************** *******@comcast .com...
>Steve wrote:
>>"Jim Carlock" <an*******@127. 0.0.1wrote in message
news:46****** *************** **@roadrunner.c om...
Here it says...
>
COM Support: enabled
DCOM Support: disabled
.net Support: enabled
>
And I'm wondering why PHP says .net support = enabled where
.net is NOT installed. I'm baffled by this one. It appears PHP
looks for one specific file and it exists, PHP declares .net
enabled, but .net is actually at least a 50MB package of files
which fill a few folders.
.net support has nothing to do with .net being installed on a system,
actually. it means that the ability for php to interact with .net has
been enabled. the php source code that handles such interactions comes in
the form of a c/c++ module that gets included in php when 1) the module
exists and 2) is included as an argument when php is compiled before its
use as an A) executable cgi, B) dll, or C) other module (as commonly used
in conjunction with apache).
whether or not .net itself is installed is a seperate issue. php .net
support enabled simply means that you have the ability to use .net
through php...of course, .net must be installed unless you intend to have
php throw errors at you when you do try to use .net and the framework
isn't there.
btw, the .net framework is well over 50MB.
does all that make sense?
Nope. By your argument, MySQL support would be enabled whether or not the
MySQL libraries are installed or not. But it isn't.
perhaps i'm just not being clear enough. i can build php with or without
mysql support. and on my system, mysql may or may not be installed. if i
don't build in mysql support, i cannot use mysql calls to a mysql db. if i
do compile php with mysql support yet do not mysql installed, i can make the
mysql calls from php but they will all fail...mysql is not installed on my
system (assuming i'm connecting on the same pc). however, if i both compile
php with mysql support *and* have mysql installed, then things should go
smoothly. this assumes that mysql is compilable in its entirety into php and
doesn't have to be loaded into php whenever php is used (this assumption is
not due to my lack of understanding on how php and mysql work, but is to
more relate to how .net support is provided by php).
Have you ever tried to build PHP with mysql support if you don't have
mysql on the system? It doesn't work. The build will fail.
And have you tried building PHP with mysql support on another system,
then load it on a system which doesn't have mysql? That doesn't work,
either. PHP won't load.
while php may very well provide mysql libraries, it certainly has no
relationship to microsoft such that it would warrant providing the .net
framework especially given how bulky it is and the frequency at which it is
updated and outdated.
Check again. PHP does not supply mysql libraries any longer.
>PHP cannot integrate with something which does not exist. But obviously,
since the extension is experimental, they still have some bugs to work
out.
yes, which is what i was trying to state...i just didn't go into the
'experimental' part of it. if i need to use .net developed source in php, i
just compile it to a standard COM object and use php's COM function to
consume it. works for me.
I just don't use OS-specific code. Works for me.
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Have you ever tried to build PHP with mysql support if you don't have
mysql on the system? It doesn't work. The build will fail.
And have you tried building PHP with mysql support on another system, then
load it on a system which doesn't have mysql? That doesn't work, either.
PHP won't load.
you're missing the point entirely! think of how most people install php on a
windows system. they use the windows binary installed. that means php is
pre-compiled on a system that meets all the requirements of your first
statement...1) compiled mysql support into php on a 2) system that has mysql
on said system. however even though support is compiled into the .exe, the
use of mysql on a target system where mysql isn't installed will bark when
you try to use it.
what i'm saying is that this exactly parallels ".net support enabled". php
does NOT do/provide any additional features to ensure that third party
applications are installed, nor should it. php either has the extensions
compiled in or loads them when executed. these extensions/modules determine
whether support is enabled/disabled which has nothing to do with the
existence of the actual third-party application on a target system...the
question pondered by the op.
>while php may very well provide mysql libraries, it certainly has no
relationship to microsoft such that it would warrant providing the .net
framework especially given how bulky it is and the frequency at which it
is updated and outdated.
Check again. PHP does not supply mysql libraries any longer.
again, you're missing the point. it used to as a module but now is compiled
in...which was not my point anyway, which i was careful to point out when
following the "by your argument" line of comparison. whether a compiled
feature of php or a loadable module, it is the code that provided the
support to use external tools such as .net and this support is *completely*
independent of whether that external tool is actually installed on a target
system.
>>PHP cannot integrate with something which does not exist. But
obviously, since the extension is experimental, they still have some
bugs to work out.
yes, which is what i was trying to state...i just didn't go into the
'experimenta l' part of it. if i need to use .net developed source in php,
i just compile it to a standard COM object and use php's COM function to
consume it. works for me.
I just don't use OS-specific code. Works for me.
i'm glad you've got that leeway. as for me, i build what my
paycheck-provider asks. ;^)
Steve wrote:
>Have you ever tried to build PHP with mysql support if you don't have
mysql on the system? It doesn't work. The build will fail.
And have you tried building PHP with mysql support on another system, then
load it on a system which doesn't have mysql? That doesn't work, either.
PHP won't load.
you're missing the point entirely! think of how most people install php on a
windows system. they use the windows binary installed. that means php is
pre-compiled on a system that meets all the requirements of your first
statement...1) compiled mysql support into php on a 2) system that has mysql
on said system. however even though support is compiled into the .exe, the
use of mysql on a target system where mysql isn't installed will bark when
you try to use it.
Not at all. OK, on a Windows system MySQL support is supplied by
php_mysql.dll. And if MySQL isn't installed, the DLL won't load and
phpinfo() will show MySQL support isn't enabled.
The MySQL interface is NOT compiled into PHP on the distributed Windows
binaries - or you'd never be able to run PHP unless you had MySQL installed.
what i'm saying is that this exactly parallels ".net support enabled". php
does NOT do/provide any additional features to ensure that third party
applications are installed, nor should it. php either has the extensions
compiled in or loads them when executed. these extensions/modules determine
whether support is enabled/disabled which has nothing to do with the
existence of the actual third-party application on a target system...the
question pondered by the op.
Nope, it's just the opposite.
>>while php may very well provide mysql libraries, it certainly has no
relationshi p to microsoft such that it would warrant providing the .net
framework especially given how bulky it is and the frequency at which it
is updated and outdated.
Check again. PHP does not supply mysql libraries any longer.
again, you're missing the point. it used to as a module but now is compiled
in...which was not my point anyway, which i was careful to point out when
following the "by your argument" line of comparison. whether a compiled
feature of php or a loadable module, it is the code that provided the
support to use external tools such as .net and this support is *completely*
independent of whether that external tool is actually installed on a target
system.
No, it is not. It is a dll loaded dynamically at startup, if the
php.ini file says to load it and the MySQL libraries are properly installed.
>>>PHP cannot integrate with something which does not exist. But
obviously, since the extension is experimental, they still have some
bugs to work out.
yes, which is what i was trying to state...i just didn't go into the
'experimental ' part of it. if i need to use .net developed source in php,
i just compile it to a standard COM object and use php's COM function to
consume it. works for me.
I just don't use OS-specific code. Works for me.
i'm glad you've got that leeway. as for me, i build what my
paycheck-provider asks. ;^)
So do I. :-)
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