mail() not reaching hotmail

[e_matthes]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'w************* *@hotmail.com';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

[Tom]

<e_*******@hotm ail.comwrote in message
news:11******** **************@ z28g2000prd.goo glegroups.com.. .

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'w************* *@hotmail.com';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

If you are really using that header, the "other_domain.c om" domain isn't
showing up as a valid domain and most current mail systems will reject mail
from bogus addresses.

Tom
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[e_matthes]

On Jun 5, 8:53 am, "Tom" <[e-mail] te:

<e_matt...@hotm ail.comwrote in message

news:11******** **************@ z28g2000prd.goo glegroups.com.. .

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

If you are really using that header, the "other_domain.c om" domain isn't
showing up as a valid domain and most current mail systems will reject mail
from bogus addresses.

Tom
--
Newsguy.com
90+ Days Retention
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Can Now Create Your Own NZB Files

Those are all working addresses, I just wrote dummy addresses for this
posting:

working_address @other_domain.c om - an address at my established site;
wo************* @hotmail.com - a working hotmail address;
working_address @this_domain.co m - an address on the new site.

[Jon Slaughter]

<e_*******@hotm ail.comwrote in message
news:11******** **************@ z28g2000prd.goo glegroups.com.. .

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'w************* *@hotmail.com';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

I think there are some issues with mail(). I'm not sure if thats your
problem but I ran across a few bugs that it has when I was trying to figure
out how to mail. They say the pear mail package is much better than this.

The code I used for testing works fine for hotmail

<?php
echo "Sending Mail...<br/>\n";
$to = 't*******@hotma il.com'; // changed
$subject = 'test';
$message = 'hello';
$headers = 'From: we*******@examp le.com' . "\r\n" . // Not changed... just
crap addr but works
'Reply-To: we*******@examp le.com' . "\r\n" .
'X-Mailer: PHP/' . phpversion();

mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ? print "Sent mail!" : print "Cannot
send mail";;
?>

You might look at that and see the differences. (as you can see, it uses the
"\r\n" and some extra info that you might see if it matters or not)

[e_matthes]

On Jun 5, 9:52 am, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@ Hotmail.comwrot e:

<e_matt...@hotm ail.comwrote in message

news:11******** **************@ z28g2000prd.goo glegroups.com.. .

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

I think there are some issues with mail(). I'm not sure if thats your
problem but I ran across a few bugs that it has when I was trying to figure
out how to mail. They say the pear mail package is much better than this.

The code I used for testing works fine for hotmail

<?php
echo "Sending Mail...<br/>\n";
$to = 'testa...@hotma il.com'; // changed
$subject = 'test';
$message = 'hello';
$headers = 'From: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" . // Not changed... just
crap addr but works
'Reply-To: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" .
'X-Mailer: PHP/' . phpversion();

mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ? print "Sent mail!" : print "Cannot
send mail";;
?>

You might look at that and see the differences. (as you can see, it uses the
"\r\n" and some extra info that you might see if it matters or not)

I started receiving the messages on the hotmail account once I added
my domain to the safe list in hotmail. That's a step in the right
direction, but I'd like to figure out what's missing or incorrect
which makes it get filtered out. Any thoughts on required headers or
format for hotmail?

[Erwin Moller]

e_*******@hotma il.com wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:52 am, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@ Hotmail.comwrot e:

><e_matt...@hot mail.comwrote in message

news:11******* *************** @z28g2000prd.go oglegroups.com. ..

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

I think there are some issues with mail(). I'm not sure if thats your
problem but I ran across a few bugs that it has when I was trying to
figure out how to mail. They say the pear mail package is much better
than this.

The code I used for testing works fine for hotmail

<?php
echo "Sending Mail...<br/>\n";
$to = 'testa...@hotma il.com'; // changed
$subject = 'test';
$message = 'hello';
$headers = 'From: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" . // Not changed...
just crap addr but works
'Reply-To: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" .
'X-Mailer: PHP/' . phpversion();

mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ? print "Sent mail!" : print
"Cannot send mail";;
?>

You might look at that and see the differences. (as you can see, it uses
the "\r\n" and some extra info that you might see if it matters or not)

I started receiving the messages on the hotmail account once I added
my domain to the safe list in hotmail. That's a step in the right
direction, but I'd like to figure out what's missing or incorrect
which makes it get filtered out. Any thoughts on required headers or
format for hotmail?

So PHP's mail() DID work just fine.
If you configured hotmail to block anything except the domains in your 'safe
list', what do you expect?
No header will fix that, unless hotmail is broken.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[e_matthes]

On Jun 6, 2:16 am, Erwin Moller
<since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_m... @spamyourself.c omwrote:

e_matt...@hotma il.com wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:52 am, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@ Hotmail.comwrot e:

<e_matt...@hotm ail.comwrote in message

>news:11******* *************** @z28g2000prd.go oglegroups.com. ..

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

I think there are some issues with mail(). I'm not sure if thats your
problem but I ran across a few bugs that it has when I was trying to
figure out how to mail. They say the pear mail package is much better
than this.

The code I used for testing works fine for hotmail

<?php
echo "Sending Mail...<br/>\n";
$to = 'testa...@hotma il.com'; // changed
$subject = 'test';
$message = 'hello';
$headers = 'From: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" . // Not changed...
just crap addr but works
'Reply-To: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" .
'X-Mailer: PHP/' . phpversion();

mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ? print "Sent mail!" : print
"Cannot send mail";;
?>

You might look at that and see the differences. (as you can see, it uses
the "\r\n" and some extra info that you might see if it matters or not)

I started receiving the messages on the hotmail account once I added
my domain to the safe list in hotmail. That's a step in the right
direction, but I'd like to figure out what's missing or incorrect
which makes it get filtered out. Any thoughts on required headers or
format for hotmail?

So PHP's mail() DID work just fine.
If you configured hotmail to block anything except the domains in your 'safe
list', what do you expect?
No header will fix that, unless hotmail is broken.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

I didn't configure hotmail to block anything except the domains in my
'safe list'. I have never used the safe list option, and I've been
using this account for about 7 years with very little spam, and
without setting up custom spam filters.

When no test messages were getting through, I added my new domain to
the safe list to see if that would let the message through. It did,
but I don't want everyone to have to put me on their safe list to get
messages through. So what I'm looking for is a set of headers or
format that will let messages through on most standard settings.

[Erwin Moller]

e_*******@hotma il.com wrote:

On Jun 6, 2:16 am, Erwin Moller
<since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_m... @spamyourself.c omwrote:

> e_matt...@hotma il.com wrote:

On Jun 5, 9:52 am, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@ Hotmail.comwrot e:
<e_matt...@hot mail.comwrote in message

>>news:11****** *************** *@z28g2000prd.g ooglegroups.com ...

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on
different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I
receive the message on my website's email account, but it never
reaches my hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same
results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account.
The code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

>I think there are some issues with mail(). I'm not sure if thats your
problem but I ran across a few bugs that it has when I was trying to
figure out how to mail. They say the pear mail package is much better
than this.

>The code I used for testing works fine for hotmail

><?php
echo "Sending Mail...<br/>\n";
$to = 'testa...@hotma il.com'; // changed
$subject = 'test';
$message = 'hello';
$headers = 'From: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" . // Not changed...
just crap addr but works
'Reply-To: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" .
'X-Mailer: PHP/' . phpversion();

>mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ? print "Sent mail!" : print
"Cannot send mail";;
?>

>You might look at that and see the differences. (as you can see, it
uses the "\r\n" and some extra info that you might see if it matters
or not)

I started receiving the messages on the hotmail account once I added
my domain to the safe list in hotmail. That's a step in the right
direction, but I'd like to figure out what's missing or incorrect
which makes it get filtered out. Any thoughts on required headers or
format for hotmail?

So PHP's mail() DID work just fine.
If you configured hotmail to block anything except the domains in your
'safe list', what do you expect?
No header will fix that, unless hotmail is broken.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

I didn't configure hotmail to block anything except the domains in my
'safe list'. I have never used the safe list option, and I've been
using this account for about 7 years with very little spam, and
without setting up custom spam filters.

Ok clear. I didn't know that.
(Never used hotmail)

Some mailservers are extremely picky when it comes to headers.
You could try to add a few, like:
Return-Path
Meassage-ID

Maybe that helps. :-/

Good luck.
Erwin Moller

PS: A guy named Gordon Burditt frequents this group and knows a lot more
about mailprotocols than I do. Maybe contact him. :-)

[e_matthes]

On Jun 6, 9:29 am, Erwin Moller
<since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_m... @spamyourself.c omwrote:

e_matt...@hotma il.com wrote:

On Jun 6, 2:16 am, Erwin Moller
<since_humans_r ead_this_I_am_s pammed_too_m... @spamyourself.c omwrote:

e_matt...@hotma il.com wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:52 am, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@ Hotmail.comwrot e:
<e_matt...@hotm ail.comwrote in message

>news:11******* *************** @z28g2000prd.go oglegroups.com. ..

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on
different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I
receive the message on my website's email account, but it never
reaches my hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same
results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account.
The code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

I think there are some issues with mail(). I'm not sure if thats your
problem but I ran across a few bugs that it has when I was trying to
figure out how to mail. They say the pear mail package is much better
than this.

The code I used for testing works fine for hotmail

<?php
echo "Sending Mail...<br/>\n";
$to = 'testa...@hotma il.com'; // changed
$subject = 'test';
$message = 'hello';
$headers = 'From: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" . // Not changed...
just crap addr but works
'Reply-To: webmas...@examp le.com' . "\r\n" .
'X-Mailer: PHP/' . phpversion();

mail($to, $subject, $message, $headers) ? print "Sent mail!" : print
"Cannot send mail";;
?>

You might look at that and see the differences. (as you can see, it
uses the "\r\n" and some extra info that you might see if it matters
or not)

I started receiving the messages on the hotmail account once I added
my domain to the safe list in hotmail. That's a step in the right
direction, but I'd like to figure out what's missing or incorrect
which makes it get filtered out. Any thoughts on required headers or
format for hotmail?

So PHP's mail() DID work just fine.
If you configured hotmail to block anything except the domains in your
'safe list', what do you expect?
No header will fix that, unless hotmail is broken.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

I didn't configure hotmail to block anything except the domains in my
'safe list'. I have never used the safe list option, and I've been
using this account for about 7 years with very little spam, and
without setting up custom spam filters.

Ok clear. I didn't know that.
(Never used hotmail)

Some mailservers are extremely picky when it comes to headers.
You could try to add a few, like:
Return-Path
Meassage-ID

Maybe that helps. :-/

Good luck.
Erwin Moller

PS: A guy named Gordon Burditt frequents this group and knows a lot more
about mailprotocols than I do. Maybe contact him. :-)

Thanks, I'll look out for him. In the mean time, I'll post a message
like most other sites do that if the user doesn't receive initial
messages, to check their spam filter settings. I'll also play around
with headers, starting with the ones you suggested.

[Tom]

<e_*******@hotm ail.comwrote in message
news:11******** **************@ n15g2000prd.goo glegroups.com.. .

On Jun 5, 8:53 am, "Tom" <[e-mail] te:

<e_matt...@hotm ail.comwrote in message

news:11******** **************@ z28g2000prd.goo glegroups.com.. .

Hello everyone,

I am trying to use the mail() function to send a simple, text-only
message. I have two websites hosted by the same company, on different
servers. One is old and established, one I am currently developing.
I am testing the mail functionality by sending a test message to an
email account associated with my old website, and to my hotmail
account. The message seems to be sent to both accounts, and I receive
the message on my website's email account, but it never reaches my
hotmail account.

Are there any special headers required for hotmail? I've looked
around a bit, and can't seem to figure it out. I've even tried
including several different headers, but always with the same results
- reaches my website's email account, but not my hotmail account. The
code I am using to test is:

<?php

$body = 'Hello from the internet mail tubes!';
$subject = 'Test message';
$address = 'working_addres s@other_domain. com';
$address2 = 'working_addr.. [e-mail]';
$headers = "From: working_address @this_domain.co m";

mail($address, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address.";
print "Done with $address.<br>";

mail($address2, $subject, $body, $headers) or print "Can not deliver
to $address2.";
print "Done with $address2.<br>" ;

?>

If you are really using that header, the "other_domain.c om" domain isn't
showing up as a valid domain and most current mail systems will reject

mail

from bogus addresses.

Tom
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Those are all working addresses, I just wrote dummy addresses for this
posting:

working_address @other_domain.c om - an address at my established site;
wo************* @hotmail.com - a working hotmail address;
working_address @this_domain.co m - an address on the new site.

Can understand the need for doing that. : )

If you haven't done it already, I'd try sending the same exact email from a
desktop mail application and see if the results are any different. You might
get an error message from your SMTP server or the hotmail mail server that
may point to a problem.

If you aren't able to get an error back, you might need to check with
hotmail to see if they might be filtering something.

Tom
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